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Forgejo is splendid. Codeberg is a hosted instance; depending on what you’re developing it may or may not be a good fit for you. But the Forgejo stack itself is

Forgejo is splendid. Codeberg is a hosted instance; depending on what you’re developing it may or may not be a good fit for you. But the Forgejo stack itself is decently light-weight to self-host, very fast to use, and is easy to navigate.

notpushkin 2mo ago
> depending on what you’re developing it may or may not be a good fit for you I think if your project is free / open source (edit: and you don’t use LLMs/AI), Codeberg is the a good starting point at least. You can move on to a self-hosted instance if you feel you’ve outgrown it, but even for larger projects I think you can get away with self-hosting just the CI runners. And don’t forget to donate! https://donate.codeberg.org/ https://donate.codeberg.org/ / https://join.codeberg.org/ https://join.codeberg.org/
- bdlowery 2mo ago
  if you use ai to program at all you can't use codeberg.
  - notpushkin 2mo ago
    Good point, I forgot they’ve recently banned it. Updated my comment.
  - cxr 2mo ago
    You've made the same exaggerated claim in two comments. Not only are you not banned from Codeberg if you have used LLMs to help you write code "in any of your projects", but you're not even prohibited from using LLMs to help you develop projects that you host on Codeberg. What you can't do is "share projects that mostly consist of code written by 'generative AI'-tools". <https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/71149c7fc95ccfeae36109b5cddca339e4aa1473 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/71149c7fc95ccfeae36...>
    - wild_egg 2mo ago
      I feel like you just directly contradicted yourself so there must be some nuance I am missing. Or is the key word "mostly"? Like I can use LLMs to help the work but still have to type most of the code myself? I have not written more than maybe 10 lines of code in the last year so it seems I am prohibited from hosting on codeberg? Or is the key word "share" and that's somehow different from "host"?
      - cxr 2mo ago
        I suspect the fidelity of your comment to your actual level of confusion is low. In any case, if you're really this confused by the information provided earlier, then the chances aren't good that there's anything that anyone could say to get you unconfused.
        wild_egg 2mo ago
        Right... That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turns people away from ecosystems. Good luck with that.
        cxr 1mo ago
        The scope of confusion expands unabated. 1. I am not Codeberg. 2. Turning away people doing unwanted things is the whole purpose of Codeberg's new policy. Why you present this as a undesirable side effect rather than exactly what the policy was designed to do is the only difficult thing to comprehend in this thread.
    - rhdunn 2mo ago
      See also the codeberg blog post (https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...) which has more informal guidelines. That includes projects that are: 1. created by LLM agents -- any vibe-coded projects; 2. mainly written and maintained by LLMs -- this would cover the recent changes to the rsync project; 3. tied to the LLM ecosystem -- this covers pytorch, llama.cpp, cursor, SillyTavern, AI skills repositories, and a whole host of other projects.
stock_toaster 2mo ago
Codefloe[1] is another forjego (with some custom patches, I believe) hosted instance. [1]: https://codefloe.com https://codefloe.com

notpushkin 2mo ago

> depending on what you’re developing it may or may not be a good fit for you I think if your project is free / open source (edit: and you don’t use LLMs/AI), Codeberg is the a good starting point at least. You can move on to a self-hosted instance if you feel you’ve outgrown it, but even for larger projects I think you can get away with self-hosting just the CI runners. And don’t forget to donate! https://donate.codeberg.org/ https://donate.codeberg.org/ / https://join.codeberg.org/ https://join.codeberg.org/

bdlowery 2mo ago
if you use ai to program at all you can't use codeberg.
- notpushkin 2mo ago
  Good point, I forgot they’ve recently banned it. Updated my comment.
- cxr 2mo ago
  You've made the same exaggerated claim in two comments. Not only are you not banned from Codeberg if you have used LLMs to help you write code "in any of your projects", but you're not even prohibited from using LLMs to help you develop projects that you host on Codeberg. What you can't do is "share projects that mostly consist of code written by 'generative AI'-tools". <https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/71149c7fc95ccfeae36109b5cddca339e4aa1473 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/71149c7fc95ccfeae36...>
  - wild_egg 2mo ago
    I feel like you just directly contradicted yourself so there must be some nuance I am missing. Or is the key word "mostly"? Like I can use LLMs to help the work but still have to type most of the code myself? I have not written more than maybe 10 lines of code in the last year so it seems I am prohibited from hosting on codeberg? Or is the key word "share" and that's somehow different from "host"?
    - cxr 2mo ago
      I suspect the fidelity of your comment to your actual level of confusion is low. In any case, if you're really this confused by the information provided earlier, then the chances aren't good that there's anything that anyone could say to get you unconfused.
      - wild_egg 2mo ago
        Right... That's exactly the kind of nonsense that turns people away from ecosystems. Good luck with that.
        cxr 1mo ago
        The scope of confusion expands unabated. 1. I am not Codeberg. 2. Turning away people doing unwanted things is the whole purpose of Codeberg's new policy. Why you present this as a undesirable side effect rather than exactly what the policy was designed to do is the only difficult thing to comprehend in this thread.
  - rhdunn 2mo ago
    See also the codeberg blog post (https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...) which has more informal guidelines. That includes projects that are: 1. created by LLM agents -- any vibe-coded projects; 2. mainly written and maintained by LLMs -- this would cover the recent changes to the rsync project; 3. tied to the LLM ecosystem -- this covers pytorch, llama.cpp, cursor, SillyTavern, AI skills repositories, and a whole host of other projects.

stock_toaster 2mo ago

Codefloe[1] is another forjego (with some custom patches, I believe) hosted instance. [1]: https://codefloe.com https://codefloe.com