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OTS and long-covid are remarkably similar once the body/brain/CNS starts treating cytokines produced by exercise (and illness) as a pathogen instead of doing s

by ck2 2mo ago

OTS and long-covid are remarkably similar once the body/brain/CNS starts treating cytokines produced by exercise (and illness) as a pathogen instead of doing stress adaptations, you will become perpetually ill and unable to exceed aerobic threshold (or lactate threshold) without PEM and there's no escape, no amount of rest will cure it, there's no supplement or drug that will reprogram your mitochondria at that point and right now all research is effectively dead for long-covid, forget OTS which will never happen * https://imgur.com/a/OzP83pd https://imgur.com/a/OzP83pd * https://i.imgur.com/v6BnoJG.png https://i.imgur.com/v6BnoJG.png * https://i.imgur.com/VpEwjp0.png https://i.imgur.com/VpEwjp0.png

jakzurr 2mo ago
Indeed. From the article: "The past seven years have seen the rise and decline of at least a dozen elite competitors, ..." And it seems the time-line of OTS and long-covid are also similar. IIRC there was an article on how long-covid had significant effects on respiratory performance of athletes (and that other people were affected just as often, but usually didn't notice because they didn't often/ever use their full output). Does anyone remember reading something similar?
- ck2 2mo ago
  not sure if you are asking if overtraining-syndrome emerged around long-covid but that's not true as it has been documented for many decades in endurance athletes but what I meant is the cause/effect and symptoms are virtually identical especially once afflicted long-covid has taken out a lot of athletes, especially triathletes, and many professionals who never recovered despite access to almost unlimited resources I actually collect articles about them and have hundreds in a folder but it gets depressing to check years later and they've never come back personally I lost about 10 vo2max points that never came back and it's not just respiratory performance, it's the entire energy envelope, the actual activity ability and recovery time is just completely destroyed also similar to auto-immune diseases but no existing test detects long-covid or overtraining-syndrome which is why I am so sure now it's "bad/corrupt code" in the mitochondria themselves

by ck2 2mo ago

jakzurr 2mo ago

Indeed. From the article: "The past seven years have seen the rise and decline of at least a dozen elite competitors, ..." And it seems the time-line of OTS and long-covid are also similar. IIRC there was an article on how long-covid had significant effects on respiratory performance of athletes (and that other people were affected just as often, but usually didn't notice because they didn't often/ever use their full output). Does anyone remember reading something similar?

ck2 2mo ago
not sure if you are asking if overtraining-syndrome emerged around long-covid but that's not true as it has been documented for many decades in endurance athletes but what I meant is the cause/effect and symptoms are virtually identical especially once afflicted long-covid has taken out a lot of athletes, especially triathletes, and many professionals who never recovered despite access to almost unlimited resources I actually collect articles about them and have hundreds in a folder but it gets depressing to check years later and they've never come back personally I lost about 10 vo2max points that never came back and it's not just respiratory performance, it's the entire energy envelope, the actual activity ability and recovery time is just completely destroyed also similar to auto-immune diseases but no existing test detects long-covid or overtraining-syndrome which is why I am so sure now it's "bad/corrupt code" in the mitochondria themselves