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Why so much emphasis on Flock here? In manhattan i feel virtually every place has cameras. You will be hard pressed to find a block without them. What’s stoppi

Why so much emphasis on Flock here? In manhattan i feel virtually every place has cameras. You will be hard pressed to find a block without them. What’s stopping a company from paying these people for their footage in return for “safety”?

close04 2mo ago
A network of cameras where everything they record everywhere is logged and searchable is exponentially more powerful and dangerous that a patchwork of individual, unrelated cameras. > What’s stopping a company from paying these people for their footage in return for “safety”? The complexity of dealing with 1000 different relationships, with individual contracts, negotiations, prices, etc. to collect the information, and then building a platform on which to make that information available to customers.
hilariously 2mo ago
Not much, but a decentralized system is often hard to exploit, and we're reaching points where we've established the surveillance state the populace is finally understanding the repercussions in a clear and poignant way. Assume that means the public camera technology in general will be called Flock cameras, and people will have a more default negative reaction going forward.
ChoGGi 2mo ago
I have cameras on my house; I asked my neighbours if they were okay with them beforehand. They're local storage only, no net access. I got them after my garage was broken into the second time. It's been a few years, haven't had a third break-in yet.
- prdonahue 2mo ago
  What would you have done if they said no?
  - michaelt 2mo ago
    There are a bunch of other options. Cameras with agreed-upon privacy blackout areas. Realistic fake cameras. Non-camera security products, like lights and fences. Get a dog.
  - em-bee 2mo ago
    you place the camera in such a way that it only covers your own property. in germany having a camera that goes beyond your own property is even illegal, so that's the only way to place cameras there.

close04 2mo ago

A network of cameras where everything they record everywhere is logged and searchable is exponentially more powerful and dangerous that a patchwork of individual, unrelated cameras. > What’s stopping a company from paying these people for their footage in return for “safety”? The complexity of dealing with 1000 different relationships, with individual contracts, negotiations, prices, etc. to collect the information, and then building a platform on which to make that information available to customers.

hilariously 2mo ago

Not much, but a decentralized system is often hard to exploit, and we're reaching points where we've established the surveillance state the populace is finally understanding the repercussions in a clear and poignant way. Assume that means the public camera technology in general will be called Flock cameras, and people will have a more default negative reaction going forward.

ChoGGi 2mo ago

I have cameras on my house; I asked my neighbours if they were okay with them beforehand. They're local storage only, no net access. I got them after my garage was broken into the second time. It's been a few years, haven't had a third break-in yet.

prdonahue 2mo ago
What would you have done if they said no?
- michaelt 2mo ago
  There are a bunch of other options. Cameras with agreed-upon privacy blackout areas. Realistic fake cameras. Non-camera security products, like lights and fences. Get a dog.
- em-bee 2mo ago
  you place the camera in such a way that it only covers your own property. in germany having a camera that goes beyond your own property is even illegal, so that's the only way to place cameras there.