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While there is a large element of paranoia here, we're already seeing serious problems in e.g. planning consultations that people can just spam them with AI. AI

by pjc50 2mo ago

While there is a large element of paranoia here, we're already seeing serious problems in e.g. planning consultations that people can just spam them with AI. AI makes a lot of traditional social processes stop working properly. > puts in it's regulations that you're not allowed to use AI to communicate with them (we all know this is coming), .. do we? > You get a mail from the government about taxes. You want to check if that text is generated by an AI No, actually, I want to know whether it's correct and whether it's legally binding. Using AI makes it less likely to be correct, sure, but ultimately whether it's human, spreadsheet, or AI the important thing is the legal right to correct process.

cucumber3732842 2mo ago
>AI makes a lot of traditional social processes stop working properly. Which is mostly a good thing because most of those processes were cooked up to be exclusionary but with plausible deniability God forbid some upstart get a big contract they "shouldn't" have gotten because AI lets them create a submission that's on par with a big guys. God forbid Joe Schmo be able to prepare the paperwork and dot his I's and cross his T's and be able to take advantage of some stupid zoning exemption that you spec'd out to essentially be only available to big moneyed interests. The ability to suffer one's way through beurocratic process without having to suffer through paying the lawyers and accountants and engineers and whatnot to get you through that process is a huge part of the value proposition of AI. But people don't frame it like for obvious reasons.
- cindyllm 2mo ago
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- pjc50 2mo ago
  > The ability to suffer one's way through bureaucratic process without having to suffer through paying the lawyers and accountants and engineers and whatnot to get you through that process is a huge part of the value proposition of AI These are adversarial processes. You might get a win in the short term, but everyone else is playing the same game with access to the same tools, and developing a game-breaking strategy in a PVP multiplayer game is going to both escalate and get patched out. A colleague of mine gave the example of using AI to snipe the UK driving test queuing system, which currently has a massive backlog. Which is great .. for them. Someone else gets pushed down by automated sniping. Then everyone else will have to start sniping. Then the website falls over because it wasn't designed to deal with 100m requests from the few hundred thousand people who are trying to bot their way to victory. (I can see one likely patch out of AI spam being "you must submit requests in person 9-5, online system is closed down"!)
  - rangestransform 2mo ago
    If ai helping normal people use rich people loopholes cause a government system to collapse, the system deserved to collapse

by pjc50 2mo ago

cucumber3732842 2mo ago

>AI makes a lot of traditional social processes stop working properly. Which is mostly a good thing because most of those processes were cooked up to be exclusionary but with plausible deniability God forbid some upstart get a big contract they "shouldn't" have gotten because AI lets them create a submission that's on par with a big guys. God forbid Joe Schmo be able to prepare the paperwork and dot his I's and cross his T's and be able to take advantage of some stupid zoning exemption that you spec'd out to essentially be only available to big moneyed interests. The ability to suffer one's way through beurocratic process without having to suffer through paying the lawyers and accountants and engineers and whatnot to get you through that process is a huge part of the value proposition of AI. But people don't frame it like for obvious reasons.

cindyllm 2mo ago
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pjc50 2mo ago
> The ability to suffer one's way through bureaucratic process without having to suffer through paying the lawyers and accountants and engineers and whatnot to get you through that process is a huge part of the value proposition of AI These are adversarial processes. You might get a win in the short term, but everyone else is playing the same game with access to the same tools, and developing a game-breaking strategy in a PVP multiplayer game is going to both escalate and get patched out. A colleague of mine gave the example of using AI to snipe the UK driving test queuing system, which currently has a massive backlog. Which is great .. for them. Someone else gets pushed down by automated sniping. Then everyone else will have to start sniping. Then the website falls over because it wasn't designed to deal with 100m requests from the few hundred thousand people who are trying to bot their way to victory. (I can see one likely patch out of AI spam being "you must submit requests in person 9-5, online system is closed down"!)
- rangestransform 2mo ago
  If ai helping normal people use rich people loopholes cause a government system to collapse, the system deserved to collapse