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My comparison of its reasoning efforts[0] seems to show that it only really supports 3 modes: none, low, xhigh. Low and medium are basically the same. Also,

by XCSme 2mo ago

My comparison of its reasoning efforts[0] seems to show that it only really supports 3 modes: none, low, xhigh. Low and medium are basically the same. Also, the electricity it costs to run on a 3090 is not negligible, so that it's cheaper to use Luna high via API than Qwen 3.8 27b locally, hardware costs excluding. [0]: https://aibenchy.com/compare/qwen-qwen3-8-27b-high/qwen-qwen3-8-27b-medium/qwen-qwen3-8-27b-low/qwen-qwen3-8-27b-none/ https://aibenchy.com/compare/qwen-qwen3-8-27b-high/qwen-qwen...

monster_truck 2mo ago
$0.286/kWh is a ridiculous amount of money to pay for power. That's more than double the regional residental average here! If I ever found myself in this situation I would much rather just rent cards from hotasile and run open models instead of giving OAI money and playing reset bingo
- XCSme 2mo ago
  I removed the extra links to sources for the electricity prices, but that's the average cost in EU, where I live. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20260505-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d...
  - SimplyUnknown 2mo ago
    Indeed, EPEX spot prices are between €0.30 and €0.39 today including taxes where I live. I've seen them go up to €1.10 during peak demand.
  - hokkos 2mo ago
    it is not the marginal price for household users, but the (average electricity bill : subscription + consumption) / (average consumption), so it will be higher than the additional kwh consumed.
    - XCSme 2mo ago
      Maybe, but only it's marginally off. This is what I pay extra per kWh,in Netherlands: € 0,25162 ($0.291), excluding the connection costs.
- XCSme 2mo ago
  Also, note that the Luna was run and costs were calculated through OpenRouter, via API. With a ChatGPT subscription it's likely even cheaper. Also, Qwen 3.7 27B is actually Terra level.
- sunaookami 2mo ago
  Welcome to Europe
- AgentMatt 2mo ago
  Ridiculous? Wow. I'm paying ~$0.4/kWh in western Europe...
  - theshrike79 2mo ago
    The current spot price in northern Europe is 0.025€/kWh, yesterday it was 0.007€/kWh :D
  - sgt 2mo ago
    Paying around ~$0.25-0.3 per kWh here in South Africa. But you can also put up a lot of solar panels and lower that effectively.
    - a96 2mo ago
      Wow. Those are about EV quick charge prices here in .fi. Average residential is maybe 0.06 €/kWh (plus transfer and subscription). <https://sahkovertaaja.fi/porssisahkon-keskihinta/ https://sahkovertaaja.fi/porssisahkon-keskihinta/>
- m1keil 2mo ago
  Can be easily the price you will pay across Australia, depending on the time of day.
- ThrowawayTestr 2mo ago
  We're privileged in North America to have cheap power.
sgt 2mo ago
Btw, unrelated, but this is the kind of Vibe Coded AI slop design I see a lot these days. Every single thing on this page has a different color, formatting, and it's just painful to look at.
- XCSme 2mo ago
  Thanks for the feedback! That might be my fault, I am not a designer, and I asked for most UI decisions. I tried to use colors to diferentiate models, the site is very data dense and it's hard to make everything readable. I've spent hundreds of hours building it, not sure if I would call it slop, but I just suck at design, lol Any suggestions on how to improve it?
  - sgt 2mo ago
    How about a complete rewrite that is not vibe coded? I'm only half serious. You're likely to use an LLM to help develop it, but don't let it take you for a ride. LLM's really struggle with data dense and robust designs. Have a look at https://diskprices.com/ https://diskprices.com/ - this is great UX because it's extremely functional, yet it has nearly no design to speak of. On a scale of data dense designs, this one would be on the extreme side, so I guess if you ask the LLM to meet you somewhere in the middle.
    - XCSme 2mo ago
      I do try to guide it, I don't think strictly telling LLMs what to do works best. I like letting the LLM do what it thinks it's best (supposedly it is a lot smarter than me), and then guide it in the directions I think it should go and fix the flaws I notice. I checked out that link on mobile, but it's unfortunately unusable. I will check it out later on desktop, thank you.
    - XCSme 2mo ago
      I am still pretty happy with some UX decisions I took: - the spotlight search, you can do ctrl+k and search "gpt vs claude vs google" and it automatically shows the most relevant comparison - drag to reorder compared models - filter leaderboard by multiple comma separated needles, so you can see for example all qwen and kimi models only - the showcases page is quite cool A lot of invisible UI/UX features are there, which I think work great, only the visual presentation could be, as you mentioned, a lot better.

by XCSme 2mo ago

monster_truck 2mo ago

$0.286/kWh is a ridiculous amount of money to pay for power. That's more than double the regional residental average here! If I ever found myself in this situation I would much rather just rent cards from hotasile and run open models instead of giving OAI money and playing reset bingo

XCSme 2mo ago
I removed the extra links to sources for the electricity prices, but that's the average cost in EU, where I live. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20260505-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d...
- SimplyUnknown 2mo ago
  Indeed, EPEX spot prices are between €0.30 and €0.39 today including taxes where I live. I've seen them go up to €1.10 during peak demand.
- hokkos 2mo ago
  it is not the marginal price for household users, but the (average electricity bill : subscription + consumption) / (average consumption), so it will be higher than the additional kwh consumed.
  - XCSme 2mo ago
    Maybe, but only it's marginally off. This is what I pay extra per kWh,in Netherlands: € 0,25162 ($0.291), excluding the connection costs.
XCSme 2mo ago
Also, note that the Luna was run and costs were calculated through OpenRouter, via API. With a ChatGPT subscription it's likely even cheaper. Also, Qwen 3.7 27B is actually Terra level.
sunaookami 2mo ago
Welcome to Europe
AgentMatt 2mo ago
Ridiculous? Wow. I'm paying ~$0.4/kWh in western Europe...
- theshrike79 2mo ago
  The current spot price in northern Europe is 0.025€/kWh, yesterday it was 0.007€/kWh :D
- sgt 2mo ago
  Paying around ~$0.25-0.3 per kWh here in South Africa. But you can also put up a lot of solar panels and lower that effectively.
  - a96 2mo ago
    Wow. Those are about EV quick charge prices here in .fi. Average residential is maybe 0.06 €/kWh (plus transfer and subscription). <https://sahkovertaaja.fi/porssisahkon-keskihinta/ https://sahkovertaaja.fi/porssisahkon-keskihinta/>
m1keil 2mo ago
Can be easily the price you will pay across Australia, depending on the time of day.
ThrowawayTestr 2mo ago
We're privileged in North America to have cheap power.

sgt 2mo ago

Btw, unrelated, but this is the kind of Vibe Coded AI slop design I see a lot these days. Every single thing on this page has a different color, formatting, and it's just painful to look at.

XCSme 2mo ago
Thanks for the feedback! That might be my fault, I am not a designer, and I asked for most UI decisions. I tried to use colors to diferentiate models, the site is very data dense and it's hard to make everything readable. I've spent hundreds of hours building it, not sure if I would call it slop, but I just suck at design, lol Any suggestions on how to improve it?
- sgt 2mo ago
  How about a complete rewrite that is not vibe coded? I'm only half serious. You're likely to use an LLM to help develop it, but don't let it take you for a ride. LLM's really struggle with data dense and robust designs. Have a look at https://diskprices.com/ https://diskprices.com/ - this is great UX because it's extremely functional, yet it has nearly no design to speak of. On a scale of data dense designs, this one would be on the extreme side, so I guess if you ask the LLM to meet you somewhere in the middle.
  - XCSme 2mo ago
    I do try to guide it, I don't think strictly telling LLMs what to do works best. I like letting the LLM do what it thinks it's best (supposedly it is a lot smarter than me), and then guide it in the directions I think it should go and fix the flaws I notice. I checked out that link on mobile, but it's unfortunately unusable. I will check it out later on desktop, thank you.
  - XCSme 2mo ago
    I am still pretty happy with some UX decisions I took: - the spotlight search, you can do ctrl+k and search "gpt vs claude vs google" and it automatically shows the most relevant comparison - drag to reorder compared models - filter leaderboard by multiple comma separated needles, so you can see for example all qwen and kimi models only - the showcases page is quite cool A lot of invisible UI/UX features are there, which I think work great, only the visual presentation could be, as you mentioned, a lot better.