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It's easier to understand if you consider they might literally be agents of a foreign government.

by walrus01 2mo ago

hamper653 2mo ago
Never see malice where incompetence is a sufficient explanation.
- conception 2mo ago
  They are making hundreds of millions of dollars on the grift. They seem quite comptent.
  - hamper653 2mo ago
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  - no-name-here 2mo ago
    Hundreds of millions dramatically undersells what happened in Trump's ~first year back in office: Trump personally made $3 billion during his 2nd term's 1st year. [1] 19-year-old high school graduate Barron Trump earned $150 million dollars. [2] Also, Trump's children stand to profit from a $1.6 billion mining deal that Trump cut as president this term - 'Kaz Resources'. [3] Also, "The White House Intervened to Get a $620 Million Deal for a Company Tied to Donald Trump Jr." - 'Vulcan Elements'. [4] Also, "Trump’s Sons Land Massive Pentagon Deal as They Flaunt Corruption" via "Powerus" a company founded last year and which merged with a golf club in March. [5] The Trump family cryptocurrency company received a $500m investment by the Emirati royal family, before the Trump admin announced that the Emirates would be allowed to import enough Nvidia AI chips to build the largest AI campus outside the US. [6] Edit: As alluded to by walrus01, "The double life of Jared Kushner, mixing business with politics as emissary for his father-in-law Donald Trump … Ivanka Trump's husband has a career as an unofficial diplomat and a master dealmaker, juggling billions and focusing his activities on the Middle East and Near East. His latest coup, carried out with the Saudi sovereign wealth fund, was the $55 billion acquisition of video game giant Electronic Arts." [8] While Trump and his family have made billions during Trump's first year back as president, for an example of how Republicans treated Biden family finances: in 2018, while Biden was out of office, Biden received a check from his brother with "loan repayment" written on it for 200K. Despite that Biden was not in office then, and the small amount (compared to not just thousands or even millions, but billions that Trump and his family have made in Trump's first year back in office), 5 years later, in 2023, Republicans were still investigating that $200K loan repayment. [7] [1] https://theweek.com/politics/donald-trump-presidency-wealth https://theweek.com/politics/donald-trump-presidency-wealth [2] https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/how-did-barron-trump-earn-150-million-at-just-19-inside-his-fortune-empire-article-152972790 https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/how-did-barron... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tlA.QWdO.XiSpRVQrxZi3&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnic... [4] https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-jr-vulcan-deal-white-house https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-jr-vulcan-de... [5] https://newrepublic.com/post/209840/donald-jr-eric-trump-military-deal-mining-company https://newrepublic.com/post/209840/donald-jr-eric-trump-mil... [6] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/trump-uae-crypto-deal https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/trump-uae-cr... [7] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/fact-check-evidence-comer-biden-james-200k-check https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/fact-check-evide... [8] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/10/07/the-double-life-of-jared-kushner-mixing-business-with-politics-as-emissary-for-his-father-in-law-donald-trump_6746194_19.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/10/07/the-dou...
    - walrus01 2mo ago
      Heck, all of that is like the tip of an iceberg, before anyone even googles like "kushner + saudis"
    - psadauskas 2mo ago
      But, what about Hunter Biden's laptop!? /s
      - no-name-here 2mo ago
        That's actually an excellent example - perhaps the closest thing to something real for Joe Biden to come out of the laptop was that in 2017, while Joe was a private citizen and held no office, an email between his son and his son's business partners had proposed Joe take a 10% share in a foreign deal his son was negotiating. 6 days later in 2017, Hunter replied that Joe had replied "an emphatic NO" when the idea was presented to him. https://www.vox.com/2020/10/22/21529237/hunter-biden-debate-laptop-tony-bobulinski https://www.vox.com/2020/10/22/21529237/hunter-biden-debate-... Republicans spent years focusing on a potential deal that Joe had quickly said no to, which was while Joe was out of office anyway. Meanwhile Trump in both term 1 and term 2 has been actively getting foreign income, but crickets. (I realize you said /s.)
- walrus01 2mo ago
  Could be a core cadre of 5% of clearly compromised or foreign agents recruiting a vast amount of fools and putting them in the positions where they can do the most damage.
  - hamper653 2mo ago
    Or it could be a core cadre of 51% of clearly foolish Americans electing a vast amount of fools and putting them in the positions where they will do the most damage.
- spit2wind 2mo ago
  Some direct quotes are, “We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so. We want to put them in trauma.” That was Russel Vought, head of the Office of Management and Budget and key author or Project 2025. Trump also said, "a whole civilization will die tonight".
  - hamper653 2mo ago
    These people aren’t very bright, are they?
    - Timon3 2mo ago
      They've successfully planned and executed a takeover of the US government that will take decades to undo, if it's even possible at all. Of course they are bright, you don't stumble into causing this much damage. They are simply thoroughly evil. This is easy to mask as "stupid", but stupid people wouldn't be able to be so consistent.
      - hamper653 2mo ago
        I mean, Americans have consistently elected these people, haven’t they? This is easy to mask as "evil", but…
        Timon3 2mo ago
        I don't know what you're trying to say. Evil people can run for elections and receive votes.
        hamper653 2mo ago
        But not-very-bright evil people can’t?
- throw0101a 2mo ago
  > Never see malice where incompetence is a sufficient explanation. ¿Por qué no los dos?
- lazide 2mo ago
  That is exactly how you end up in this situation. There are actually malicious people in the world, and many of them like to pretend to be incompetent as a smokescreen.
Drupon 2mo ago
Thought terminating cope from people unwilling to accept that they live in a nation full of cruel oinking swine, enough to control the government at the moment. No, they must be foreign assets. Thinking that way makes it easier to ignore the fact that the American individualist (read: selfish and cruel) ideology is baked into every aspect of the country's propaganda. Much easier to ignore it, write hagiographies that have the greed that drove the smugglers and wealthy elite to found this country's morals replaced by rapping stage actors. Craft narratives that the crumbling of the fine character of a nation practicing racial segregation until only half a century ago is actually the crafty infiltration of the savage slavic mind.
- walrus01 2mo ago
  I have no idea what your personal background is but it's very interesting that without me saying it or even alluding to it, you jumped directly to what is your presumption of what nation-state ("slavic", presumably you're thinking Russia) that might be controlling foreign agents. You know it's possible for some groups of people to be a mixed bag of cruel, venal, greedy, feckless, foolish and compromised, right? Of course it's not likely that everyone in the administration is literally a recruited foreign asset.
  - anon7725 2mo ago
    I believe their point is that the talk about foreign interference is a red herring. The current administration reflects a deeper rot in the culture. "As democracy is perfected, the office [of president] represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    - burnoutdv 2mo ago
      I would say that the current maga goverment of the USA is the result of the culture, not the other way around. There might be _some_ funny business around the elections but overall the people that fall to/want exactly this government are not few
dandanua 2mo ago
more likely alien race

It's easier to understand if you consider they might literally be agents of a foreign government.

hamper653 2mo ago

Never see malice where incompetence is a sufficient explanation.

conception 2mo ago
They are making hundreds of millions of dollars on the grift. They seem quite comptent.
- hamper653 2mo ago
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- no-name-here 2mo ago
  Hundreds of millions dramatically undersells what happened in Trump's ~first year back in office: Trump personally made $3 billion during his 2nd term's 1st year. [1] 19-year-old high school graduate Barron Trump earned $150 million dollars. [2] Also, Trump's children stand to profit from a $1.6 billion mining deal that Trump cut as president this term - 'Kaz Resources'. [3] Also, "The White House Intervened to Get a $620 Million Deal for a Company Tied to Donald Trump Jr." - 'Vulcan Elements'. [4] Also, "Trump’s Sons Land Massive Pentagon Deal as They Flaunt Corruption" via "Powerus" a company founded last year and which merged with a golf club in March. [5] The Trump family cryptocurrency company received a $500m investment by the Emirati royal family, before the Trump admin announced that the Emirates would be allowed to import enough Nvidia AI chips to build the largest AI campus outside the US. [6] Edit: As alluded to by walrus01, "The double life of Jared Kushner, mixing business with politics as emissary for his father-in-law Donald Trump … Ivanka Trump's husband has a career as an unofficial diplomat and a master dealmaker, juggling billions and focusing his activities on the Middle East and Near East. His latest coup, carried out with the Saudi sovereign wealth fund, was the $55 billion acquisition of video game giant Electronic Arts." [8] While Trump and his family have made billions during Trump's first year back as president, for an example of how Republicans treated Biden family finances: in 2018, while Biden was out of office, Biden received a check from his brother with "loan repayment" written on it for 200K. Despite that Biden was not in office then, and the small amount (compared to not just thousands or even millions, but billions that Trump and his family have made in Trump's first year back in office), 5 years later, in 2023, Republicans were still investigating that $200K loan repayment. [7] [1] https://theweek.com/politics/donald-trump-presidency-wealth https://theweek.com/politics/donald-trump-presidency-wealth [2] https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/how-did-barron-trump-earn-150-million-at-just-19-inside-his-fortune-empire-article-152972790 https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/how-did-barron... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnick-sons-kazakhstan.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tlA.QWdO.XiSpRVQrxZi3&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/28/world/europe/trump-lutnic... [4] https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-jr-vulcan-deal-white-house https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-jr-vulcan-de... [5] https://newrepublic.com/post/209840/donald-jr-eric-trump-military-deal-mining-company https://newrepublic.com/post/209840/donald-jr-eric-trump-mil... [6] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/trump-uae-crypto-deal https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/trump-uae-cr... [7] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/fact-check-evidence-comer-biden-james-200k-check https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/fact-check-evide... [8] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/10/07/the-double-life-of-jared-kushner-mixing-business-with-politics-as-emissary-for-his-father-in-law-donald-trump_6746194_19.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/10/07/the-dou...
  - walrus01 2mo ago
    Heck, all of that is like the tip of an iceberg, before anyone even googles like "kushner + saudis"
  - psadauskas 2mo ago
    But, what about Hunter Biden's laptop!? /s
    - no-name-here 2mo ago
      That's actually an excellent example - perhaps the closest thing to something real for Joe Biden to come out of the laptop was that in 2017, while Joe was a private citizen and held no office, an email between his son and his son's business partners had proposed Joe take a 10% share in a foreign deal his son was negotiating. 6 days later in 2017, Hunter replied that Joe had replied "an emphatic NO" when the idea was presented to him. https://www.vox.com/2020/10/22/21529237/hunter-biden-debate-laptop-tony-bobulinski https://www.vox.com/2020/10/22/21529237/hunter-biden-debate-... Republicans spent years focusing on a potential deal that Joe had quickly said no to, which was while Joe was out of office anyway. Meanwhile Trump in both term 1 and term 2 has been actively getting foreign income, but crickets. (I realize you said /s.)
walrus01 2mo ago
Could be a core cadre of 5% of clearly compromised or foreign agents recruiting a vast amount of fools and putting them in the positions where they can do the most damage.
- hamper653 2mo ago
  Or it could be a core cadre of 51% of clearly foolish Americans electing a vast amount of fools and putting them in the positions where they will do the most damage.
spit2wind 2mo ago
Some direct quotes are, “We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so. We want to put them in trauma.” That was Russel Vought, head of the Office of Management and Budget and key author or Project 2025. Trump also said, "a whole civilization will die tonight".
- hamper653 2mo ago
  These people aren’t very bright, are they?
  - Timon3 2mo ago
    They've successfully planned and executed a takeover of the US government that will take decades to undo, if it's even possible at all. Of course they are bright, you don't stumble into causing this much damage. They are simply thoroughly evil. This is easy to mask as "stupid", but stupid people wouldn't be able to be so consistent.
    - hamper653 2mo ago
      I mean, Americans have consistently elected these people, haven’t they? This is easy to mask as "evil", but…
      - Timon3 2mo ago
        I don't know what you're trying to say. Evil people can run for elections and receive votes.
        hamper653 2mo ago
        But not-very-bright evil people can’t?
throw0101a 2mo ago
> Never see malice where incompetence is a sufficient explanation. ¿Por qué no los dos?
lazide 2mo ago
That is exactly how you end up in this situation. There are actually malicious people in the world, and many of them like to pretend to be incompetent as a smokescreen.

Drupon 2mo ago

Thought terminating cope from people unwilling to accept that they live in a nation full of cruel oinking swine, enough to control the government at the moment. No, they must be foreign assets. Thinking that way makes it easier to ignore the fact that the American individualist (read: selfish and cruel) ideology is baked into every aspect of the country's propaganda. Much easier to ignore it, write hagiographies that have the greed that drove the smugglers and wealthy elite to found this country's morals replaced by rapping stage actors. Craft narratives that the crumbling of the fine character of a nation practicing racial segregation until only half a century ago is actually the crafty infiltration of the savage slavic mind.

walrus01 2mo ago
I have no idea what your personal background is but it's very interesting that without me saying it or even alluding to it, you jumped directly to what is your presumption of what nation-state ("slavic", presumably you're thinking Russia) that might be controlling foreign agents. You know it's possible for some groups of people to be a mixed bag of cruel, venal, greedy, feckless, foolish and compromised, right? Of course it's not likely that everyone in the administration is literally a recruited foreign asset.
- anon7725 2mo ago
  I believe their point is that the talk about foreign interference is a red herring. The current administration reflects a deeper rot in the culture. "As democracy is perfected, the office [of president] represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
  - burnoutdv 2mo ago
    I would say that the current maga goverment of the USA is the result of the culture, not the other way around. There might be _some_ funny business around the elections but overall the people that fall to/want exactly this government are not few

dandanua 2mo ago

more likely alien race