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>but it seems the scale of the atrocities is way larger on one side than the other. "science" is the new religion. You just need to give it time to live upto i

• angoragoats 2mo ago
  > “science" is the new religion. You just need to give it time to live upto its potential. This is a wild take which makes me think that you don’t know what science is. > It is not too far fetched to imagine mass killings based on science No, that is actually quite far fetched. > You believe that because you think that will lead to a better outcome for you. No, I believe things that have evidence to support them because I think it’s important to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. > Human beings generally does not have the ability to see the big, long term picture and act on it. Which is where religion come. To provide reason and incentive to act in a way that is beneficial long term... You seem to be implying here that it’s hard or impossible to act in the long term or best interest of society without religion. I think that a having secular humanist philosophy which aims for well-being as its main goal is perfectly capable of providing for the long-term benefit of yourself and others.
  • qsera 2mo ago
    Your thoughts does not go deep enough...for example >No, I believe things that have evidence to support them because I think it’s important to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. "important" just mean that you hope that it will, implicitly lead to a better outcome. But you don't identify that equivalence in your own reasoning. This is true for your other points as well, but it is very explicit in this particular one.
    • angoragoats 2mo ago
      > Your thoughts does not go deep enough...for example I have thought about this for literally decades, so I have to disagree. > “important" just mean that you hope that it will, implicitly lead to a better outcome. No, as I said, this is not true, at least not always. Here’s a counter-example: I have known many people who derive great peace and comfort from believing in some religious belief that doesn’t appear to me to be true. This is especially true when they experience hardship, such as the death of someone close to them. I think it’s quite likely that having a religious belief would be beneficial for me mentally in situations like this and lead to a better outcome than not having those beliefs, yet I still don’t adopt any such beliefs.
      • qsera 2mo ago
        >yet I still don’t adopt any such beliefs... That is because it will hurt your ego and lead to internal conflict, which would be a worse outcome. On top of that, is things like that something that can be turned on and off as one wish? I very much doubt it..
        • angoragoats 2mo ago
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