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Wrong, it's not dishonest or misleading at all. What is dishonest is ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture that is dispr

Wrong, it's not dishonest or misleading at all. What is dishonest is ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture that is disproportionately responsible for firearm homicides in the US when comparing rates of firearm homicides in the US and Europe. It would be like blaming Europe's nomad problem on their social laws while ignoring the fact that there's a huge gypsy community that simply refuses to integrate into society. By ignoring this fact, you pin the problem on the presence of guns when in fact there's a much deeper problem in society that, if solved, would bring firearm homicides down to the levels in Europe without banning any more types of guns. It also ignores the fact that banning guns would do nothing to stop those who are committing most of the firearm homicides from obtaining guns, since those people are already in the very business of smuggling in another illicit object into the country.

rmc 14y ago
ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture If you think Europe lacks violence, I suggest you read a 20th century history book. For example, there have been organised, government promoted genocides in Europe after the Linux kernel was first released.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > If you think Europe lacks violence, I suggest you read a 20th century history book. You speak in the present tense ("lackS"), yet you refer to the 20th century, which ended more than a decade ago. I think you are more than a little confused. > For example, there have been organised, government promoted genocides in Europe after the Linux kernel was first released. Please name one country in Western or Northern Europe that has had a "government promoted genocide" since the beginning of the 21st century.
  - rmc 14y ago
    We are just at the start of the 21st century, so events from the mid to late 20th century are still relevant and culturally important. Why is 10 years suddenly the distant past? The specific genocide I was talking about was the Bosnian Genocide in the 90s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
tsotha 14y ago
>What is dishonest is ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture... This is certainly not true. The incidence of violent crime in the UK is far higher than in the US. It's just the murder rate in the US is higher. http://ace.mu.nu/Windows-Live-Writer/Overnight-_D7F6/The-most-violent-country-in-Europe-Britain-is-also-worse-than-South-Africa-and-U.S.-Mail-Online-Mozilla-Firefox-1252012-91729-PM.bmp_2.jpg http://ace.mu.nu/Windows-Live-Writer/Overnight-_D7F6/The-mos... The rate in the US is 470, which puts us below the bottom of the list. That dichotomy probably does have something to do with guns - breaking and entering is far more dangerous in the US than it is in the UK.

rmc 14y ago

ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture If you think Europe lacks violence, I suggest you read a 20th century history book. For example, there have been organised, government promoted genocides in Europe after the Linux kernel was first released.

w1ntermute 14y ago
> If you think Europe lacks violence, I suggest you read a 20th century history book. You speak in the present tense ("lackS"), yet you refer to the 20th century, which ended more than a decade ago. I think you are more than a little confused. > For example, there have been organised, government promoted genocides in Europe after the Linux kernel was first released. Please name one country in Western or Northern Europe that has had a "government promoted genocide" since the beginning of the 21st century.
- rmc 14y ago
  We are just at the start of the 21st century, so events from the mid to late 20th century are still relevant and culturally important. Why is 10 years suddenly the distant past? The specific genocide I was talking about was the Bosnian Genocide in the 90s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

tsotha 14y ago

>What is dishonest is ignoring the fact that Europe lacks a self-destructive and violent subculture... This is certainly not true. The incidence of violent crime in the UK is far higher than in the US. It's just the murder rate in the US is higher. http://ace.mu.nu/Windows-Live-Writer/Overnight-_D7F6/The-most-violent-country-in-Europe-Britain-is-also-worse-than-South-Africa-and-U.S.-Mail-Online-Mozilla-Firefox-1252012-91729-PM.bmp_2.jpg http://ace.mu.nu/Windows-Live-Writer/Overnight-_D7F6/The-mos... The rate in the US is 470, which puts us below the bottom of the list. That dichotomy probably does have something to do with guns - breaking and entering is far more dangerous in the US than it is in the UK.