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You know, back in the era when proofreaders were human, I never one met a proofreader who rewrote my text afresh, rather than annotating the text with a pen. I
by epihelix 2mo ago
You know, back in the era when proofreaders were human, I never one met a proofreader who rewrote my text afresh, rather than annotating the text with a pen.
It's still possible to use Claude to proofread - highlight grammatical, flow, structure, logic errors and make simple suggestions for you to pick and choose or adapt as you wish. No watermarking will flag your text. No flaw accusations of LLM authorship will haunt you. All will be fine.
But if you want an LLM to rewrite your text, that's (a) not proofreading, and (b) should be flagged as LLM generated ... because it is.
- richardatlarge 2mo agoNonsense. Forget proofreaders. Think editors. In publishing some editors practically wrote the books. And then theres ghostwriting ! Think of that!
- Apocryphon 2mo agoOkay, then it should be acknowledged if a work was AI-edited-written, or AI-ghostwritten.
- kalleboo 2mo agoPart of me wishes we had the same regulation for ghostwriting etc. Nobody should be claiming to have written a book they didn't.
- wuschel 2mo agoWhere is the problem with using LLM generated text? You could use your own hypothetical house elf to do it for you, or pay someone to do it. LLMs are just cheaper for a certain set of problems. People will find ways to circumvent this, so this limitation will only hit the technically less adept people.
- zahlman 2mo ago> Where is the problem with using LLM generated text? In the fact that you didn't write it. > You could use your own hypothetical house elf to do it for you, or pay someone to do it. Yes, and those would be similarly problematic (and more expensive).
- ivan_gammel 2mo ago> In the fact that you didn't write it. This is a fact and this is generally not a problem. Customer support guy Joe did not write that email to you with a refund: someone else did it and Joe did pick the template. Alice did not write that post card to Bob, someone else did and she just googled some nice text. We deal with a lot of content that wasn’t written by the person who signed it. That content, when written by LLM, may indeed contain watermarks and nobody will care about the choice of words, because only the meaning matters in such communications. People pay too much attention to authenticity here, which is no more than a demonstration of an effort. LLM can and should write scientific articles because the real effort is in directing research, not summarizing it. LLMs can and should write news, because it is cheap and efficient, and real reporting is in discovery. LLM can and should write fiction and make movies, because there is no reason why creators of various junk should earn their money easily. LLMs do not replace real talent. They just emphasize for an average person how easily replaceable they are. And that‘s ok. Creative industry is a blue collar job now.
- Alpha3031 2mo agoIf it's not a problem, then there should be no issue with not concealing the fact, no? Lying about things one considers inconsequential is a useful signal about one's willingness to lie with little benefit.
- jorisw 2mo agoIt's easy to name examples of where authenticity matters and where it doesn't. In case of the former, there is a problem worth solving.
- vrganj 2mo agoNobody says it's a problem. We'd just like to know. Factory farming also makes meat cheaper than organic practices. I'd just like to know which one I'm getting.
- NicuCalcea 2mo agoIf there was a ghostwriting detector, I would use that too.
- joshkel 2mo agoAnthropic's own explanation (https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-text-watermark https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-text-watermark) is not that clear-cut: "When Claude proofreads text written by a person, what it gives back has generally only been lightly edited; because nearly all the words are the person’s, there’s very little (if anything) for the watermark to attach to. Depending on the length of the text and how heavily Claude has edited it, those changes might not be enough to make Claude’s involvement detectable." (emphasis added)
- mrguyorama 2mo agoYou've entirely missed the point. A proofreader, like an english teacher, can return you your writing simply annotated and marked up, with suggestions and edits in red pen for example. Then you rewrite your draft into a final using those edits and notes as suggestions. Making an LLM act like that proof reader would likely not cause your output text to be labeled as generated, even by this system.
- Max-Limelihood 2mo agoI think they should release metrics for "how much of this is LLM-written" (the raw test statistic, not including length) along with detection.