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Young people don't know who AI CEOs are without the media apparatus teaching them AI is bad. I've watched journalists dunk on this tech since the days of Tacot

by echelon 2mo ago

Young people don't know who AI CEOs are without the media apparatus teaching them AI is bad. I've watched journalists dunk on this tech since the days of Tacotron. They love to dish out hate and venom and crystalize it around concepts that are easy to sell. Not that the Dario and Sam haven't both been deliberately hyperbolic and made themselves easy targets, but the media was always attempting to do this. Journalists hate AI and they always have. We've seen them try dozens, if not hundreds of things to get the story to stick. Lately it's data centers being built and the stories of neighbors complaining about noise. As much as I blame Sam for getting people angry at him, journalists also contributed to radicalizing people against him and turning him into an assassination target. This headline is literally trying to reinforce this.

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atomicnumber3 2mo ago
Yeah has nothing to do with all the "permanent underclass" stuff right?
- echelon 2mo ago
  Not gonna happen with open source.
  - breadramen 2mo ago
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  - ohyoutravel 2mo ago
    And yet AI CEOs preach the “AI will take your job and you’ll be homeless” narrative so hard.
    - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
      Their investment narrative, enterprise value, and potential liquidity event depends on this proclamation, regardless of how true it is.
      - vrganj 2mo ago
        In other words, their class interest is in conflict with the vast majority of the world. Wonder why people can't stand them.
      - preg_match 2mo ago
        We can't expect people to somehow deduce that AI CEOs are lying and therefore should like them. Also, even if people DO know AI CEOs are lying... why would that make them likable? Liars are unlikable, almost as a rule. Of course people don't like and trust them. So either AI CEOs genuinely believe the "permanent underclass" stuff, in which case you should hate them because obviously. Or they don't believe it, in which case you should hate them because they're liars. Either way they lose. The only way to win is to not say batshit insane stuff that implies everyday people will die en-masse. Which... yeah. I feel like anyone could've told them that.
sublinear 2mo ago
A significant portion of the population didn't need journalists feeding them a negative opinion. More people alive today are educated in computer science than ever before. The same is true of epistemology, linguistics, and broader philosophy. Many have also lived long enough to see previous waves of AI come and go. People were already watching the topic closely over a decade ago with DeepMind, AlphaGo, etc. None of the arguments against the current AI methods are new. People were poking holes in statistical methods centuries ago. Mainstream media just waits for the right time to pounce and attempt to sway everyone else who is uncertain or out of the loop. They actually started out with a pro-AI stance. That in no way implies the majority was ever out of the loop or believed in any of the hype. The public are not a flock of baby birds waiting for their empty minds to be fed. The majority doesn't even care about the principle of the matter. They are far more interested in whether it actually works reliably. The appeals to emotion, political bias, or ego are wildly out of touch and outdated. What you're observing today with young people is not that they have different "opinions", but that they are burned out on all opinions. We forced them to become so much more sophisticated and discerning by pressing that button too many times. You'd be just as cynical if you spent your childhood watching an iPad deliver endless ragebait.
ydat 2mo ago
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by echelon 2mo ago

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atomicnumber3 2mo ago

Yeah has nothing to do with all the "permanent underclass" stuff right?

echelon 2mo ago
Not gonna happen with open source.
- breadramen 2mo ago
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- ohyoutravel 2mo ago
  And yet AI CEOs preach the “AI will take your job and you’ll be homeless” narrative so hard.
  - toomuchtodo 2mo ago
    Their investment narrative, enterprise value, and potential liquidity event depends on this proclamation, regardless of how true it is.
    - vrganj 2mo ago
      In other words, their class interest is in conflict with the vast majority of the world. Wonder why people can't stand them.
    - preg_match 2mo ago
      We can't expect people to somehow deduce that AI CEOs are lying and therefore should like them. Also, even if people DO know AI CEOs are lying... why would that make them likable? Liars are unlikable, almost as a rule. Of course people don't like and trust them. So either AI CEOs genuinely believe the "permanent underclass" stuff, in which case you should hate them because obviously. Or they don't believe it, in which case you should hate them because they're liars. Either way they lose. The only way to win is to not say batshit insane stuff that implies everyday people will die en-masse. Which... yeah. I feel like anyone could've told them that.

sublinear 2mo ago

A significant portion of the population didn't need journalists feeding them a negative opinion. More people alive today are educated in computer science than ever before. The same is true of epistemology, linguistics, and broader philosophy. Many have also lived long enough to see previous waves of AI come and go. People were already watching the topic closely over a decade ago with DeepMind, AlphaGo, etc. None of the arguments against the current AI methods are new. People were poking holes in statistical methods centuries ago. Mainstream media just waits for the right time to pounce and attempt to sway everyone else who is uncertain or out of the loop. They actually started out with a pro-AI stance. That in no way implies the majority was ever out of the loop or believed in any of the hype. The public are not a flock of baby birds waiting for their empty minds to be fed. The majority doesn't even care about the principle of the matter. They are far more interested in whether it actually works reliably. The appeals to emotion, political bias, or ego are wildly out of touch and outdated. What you're observing today with young people is not that they have different "opinions", but that they are burned out on all opinions. We forced them to become so much more sophisticated and discerning by pressing that button too many times. You'd be just as cynical if you spent your childhood watching an iPad deliver endless ragebait.

ydat 2mo ago

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