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Kyiv blows up biggest Wildberries hub in drone attack

32 points by Animats 2mo ago

Animats 2mo ago
Wildberries is Russia's equivalent of Amazon. Ukraine has apparently hit 7 of the 10 largest Wildberries hubs. This latest hit was on the hub for Moscow. [1] https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-knocks-7-of-russias-10-largest-wildberries-logistics-hubs-out-of-operation-21738 https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-knocks-7-of...
- bushwart 2mo ago
  What's the rationale behind this? Is Wildberries hiding military hardware and munitions in its warehouses?
  - conradludgate 2mo ago
    I imagine they want the people of Russia to feel the economic pain of the war, and vote/protest accordingly.
    - tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
      That rarely works. Russia has been pounding Ukraine yet the Ukrainians are as defiant as ever.
      - conradludgate 2mo ago
        I think it's a matter of perspective. It's Russia's war. The Russian people didn't want this, but they have to live with their leader's decisions. For the Ukrainians, the alternative is surrendering to Putin.
      - echoangle 2mo ago
        They are also defending and don’t really have a choice, Russia does.
        tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
        They could have rolled over, if the majority wanted that then there isn’t much the Ukrainian government could do about it.
      - general1465 2mo ago
        It kind of works. Imagine that Iran would be able to blow Amazon warehouses in the USA using drones after 4 years of fighting. Sure there would be few fanatics on Fox News wanting to nuke Iran, but most of people would be asking what is the point of bombing Iran in the first place? What's the goal? Because that's what Russians are facing right now. No gas on gas stations. No online ordering of stuff. Enemy drones are flying daily over their heads after 4 years of fighting, Russians are fearing of another mobilization and for what? What is the goal of this war?
      - halJordan 2mo ago
        It rarely works (Mitchell and Douhet were famously proven wrong a few short years after WW1). But it is the named reason Kiev gives.
    - Animats 2mo ago
      That sort of is the strategy. Ukraine says they pick targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg that hurt Russia's elites. The trouble is that Russia's elites have little influence over Putin. He crushed that a decade ago. The battlefront in Ukraine has been stuck for a year. People are dying, but nobody is winning. The front lines don't move much. Nobody really knows what to do. It's very WWI.
      - mittensc 2mo ago
        > The trouble is that Russia's elites have little influence over Putin. Well, seems like they better start working on that I'm curious what happens when elites next to putin start losing their wealth by losing their actual assets
        doublerabbit 2mo ago
        They get shot, thrown out of a window or their jet explodes. Three simple solutions to eliminate "I want my money". Putin is no joke, he is ex-KGB.
        Animats 2mo ago
        Leaders of Russia who lose a war do not, historically, survive long. Putin spends most of his time in bunkers now, terrified of both attacks from Ukraine and possible coup attempts from his own people.[1] [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-bunker-assassination-russia-intelligence-b2970799.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-bunker...
        mittensc 2mo ago
        Putin is only powerful as long as institutions continue to follow him. He doesnt throw people out of windows himself, he has his state do that. Move enough people away from supporting him and he's gone.
        general1465 2mo ago
        Prigozin tried to go against Putin with actual army. And he was naive enough to think that he can shot at the king, miss and live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion
    - Arnt 2mo ago
      It does much more than that. Wildberries had 45% of the logistics and large warehouses. This means that every company that produces something will have parcels coming in from Wildberries every day. The businesses that owned the ~$6B of burnt inventory may go bankrupt, too, adding to the chaos.
  - tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
    It’s providing logistical support. You could go to their website and order items for the “special police operation “. It’s also a juicy target from an economical perspective. They are going to need a ton of financial support to keep operating.
  - estearum 2mo ago
    Wildberries is (or was, at least, prior to the initial attacks) openly selling equipment intended for and marketed for military uses
  - pseudohadamard 2mo ago
    Besides what they're selling, it's also damaging the longstanding social contract between Putin and the Russian people: Turn a blind eye to the way I run things and I'll make sure your life continues as normal. This is breaking that contract. Other dictators did this too. Hitler kept a bunch of very nonessential things running far longer than he should have in order to try and preserve some level of normalcy for the German people. The Nazis actually had monthly reports, "Meldungen aus dem Reich" ("Reports from the Reich") on what the public were thinking about various things, which were distributed to top Nazi leaders. They stopped publishing them some time in 1944 because by then you didn't need secret reports any more to know what the public were thinking.
letmespeakhere 2mo ago
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32 points by Animats 2mo ago

Wildberries is Russia's equivalent of Amazon. Ukraine has apparently hit 7 of the 10 largest Wildberries hubs. This latest hit was on the hub for Moscow. [1] https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-knocks-7-of-russias-10-largest-wildberries-logistics-hubs-out-of-operation-21738 https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukraine-knocks-7-of...

bushwart 2mo ago
What's the rationale behind this? Is Wildberries hiding military hardware and munitions in its warehouses?
- conradludgate 2mo ago
  I imagine they want the people of Russia to feel the economic pain of the war, and vote/protest accordingly.
  - tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
    That rarely works. Russia has been pounding Ukraine yet the Ukrainians are as defiant as ever.
    - conradludgate 2mo ago
      I think it's a matter of perspective. It's Russia's war. The Russian people didn't want this, but they have to live with their leader's decisions. For the Ukrainians, the alternative is surrendering to Putin.
    - echoangle 2mo ago
      They are also defending and don’t really have a choice, Russia does.
      - tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
        They could have rolled over, if the majority wanted that then there isn’t much the Ukrainian government could do about it.
    - general1465 2mo ago
      It kind of works. Imagine that Iran would be able to blow Amazon warehouses in the USA using drones after 4 years of fighting. Sure there would be few fanatics on Fox News wanting to nuke Iran, but most of people would be asking what is the point of bombing Iran in the first place? What's the goal? Because that's what Russians are facing right now. No gas on gas stations. No online ordering of stuff. Enemy drones are flying daily over their heads after 4 years of fighting, Russians are fearing of another mobilization and for what? What is the goal of this war?
    - halJordan 2mo ago
      It rarely works (Mitchell and Douhet were famously proven wrong a few short years after WW1). But it is the named reason Kiev gives.
  - Animats 2mo ago
    That sort of is the strategy. Ukraine says they pick targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg that hurt Russia's elites. The trouble is that Russia's elites have little influence over Putin. He crushed that a decade ago. The battlefront in Ukraine has been stuck for a year. People are dying, but nobody is winning. The front lines don't move much. Nobody really knows what to do. It's very WWI.
    - mittensc 2mo ago
      > The trouble is that Russia's elites have little influence over Putin. Well, seems like they better start working on that I'm curious what happens when elites next to putin start losing their wealth by losing their actual assets
      - doublerabbit 2mo ago
        They get shot, thrown out of a window or their jet explodes. Three simple solutions to eliminate "I want my money". Putin is no joke, he is ex-KGB.
        Animats 2mo ago
        Leaders of Russia who lose a war do not, historically, survive long. Putin spends most of his time in bunkers now, terrified of both attacks from Ukraine and possible coup attempts from his own people.[1] [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-bunker-assassination-russia-intelligence-b2970799.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-bunker...
        mittensc 2mo ago
        Putin is only powerful as long as institutions continue to follow him. He doesnt throw people out of windows himself, he has his state do that. Move enough people away from supporting him and he's gone.
      - general1465 2mo ago
        Prigozin tried to go against Putin with actual army. And he was naive enough to think that he can shot at the king, miss and live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion
  - Arnt 2mo ago
    It does much more than that. Wildberries had 45% of the logistics and large warehouses. This means that every company that produces something will have parcels coming in from Wildberries every day. The businesses that owned the ~$6B of burnt inventory may go bankrupt, too, adding to the chaos.
- tonyedgecombe 2mo ago
  It’s providing logistical support. You could go to their website and order items for the “special police operation “. It’s also a juicy target from an economical perspective. They are going to need a ton of financial support to keep operating.
- estearum 2mo ago
  Wildberries is (or was, at least, prior to the initial attacks) openly selling equipment intended for and marketed for military uses
- pseudohadamard 2mo ago
  Besides what they're selling, it's also damaging the longstanding social contract between Putin and the Russian people: Turn a blind eye to the way I run things and I'll make sure your life continues as normal. This is breaking that contract. Other dictators did this too. Hitler kept a bunch of very nonessential things running far longer than he should have in order to try and preserve some level of normalcy for the German people. The Nazis actually had monthly reports, "Meldungen aus dem Reich" ("Reports from the Reich") on what the public were thinking about various things, which were distributed to top Nazi leaders. They stopped publishing them some time in 1944 because by then you didn't need secret reports any more to know what the public were thinking.

letmespeakhere 2mo ago

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