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Blocking ads wholesale is a terrible idea and unnecessary. What needs to be blocked is ads that execute client-side javascript (consuming your memory and cpu),

by petilon 2mo ago

Blocking ads wholesale is a terrible idea and unnecessary. What needs to be blocked is ads that execute client-side javascript (consuming your memory and cpu), ads that consume too much network bandwidth and so on. Ads are necessary so that content producers can generate income, without it they won't produce quality content. When you block abusive ads (as opposed to all ads), advertisers are encouraged to make their ads less abusive. Content producers get paid and you get to enjoy the content for free. Everyone wins.

Neywiny 2mo ago
I wish that were true
JimBlackwood 2mo ago
I’d be happy for a content producer wide subscription that would disable ads on all participating sites. As long as that doesn’t exist, I’m happy with my adblocker. Next to that, my device, my choice what I get to see and what I don’t get to see.
davkan 2mo ago
No. I will not discriminate between which ads I block when neither the site operators nor the ad networks discriminate on what they host. The moment i turn off my ad block I’m up to my eyeballs in lies and scams and garbage. No. Thanks. This ad funded internet needs to die. It is rotten to the core and advertising is the source of almost all the evils of the modern web. As long as enough of the general public continues to not Adblock I’ll enjoy my free ride.
awepofiwaop 2mo ago
I care about having a general purpose web content blocker. I use it for blocking all kinds of things that aren't ads, like YouTube comment sections, random noisy useless cruft I don't care about, etc.
kromokromo 2mo ago
No. We need to think in other ways than the ad economy. I’d gladly pay for good content if there was a decent system set up for it.
- duxup 2mo ago
  But there’s not and the end result is the same.
  - tensor 2mo ago
    Youtube paid works. People pay, get no ads. Kagi so far seems to be doing well for search too. One model may not work for all content types but to say that there is no alternative is straight up not true.
    - duxup 2mo ago
      I'm not sure Youtube doing fine while local news sources go under and such a is a positive.
      - tensor 2mo ago
        What local news sources are going under? As far as I've seen not many actually are. I'm paying my local newspaper, it seems to be doing just fine.
        duxup 2mo ago
        Dwindling of news outsets / local news outlets has been pretty widely covered, as are the results: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31976955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31976955
- rustcleaner 2mo ago
  I find the best content is free content, made from passion rather than monetary need.
Gareth321 2mo ago
> When you block abusive ads (as opposed to all ads), advertisers are encouraged to make their ads less abusive. Ads were made abusive, malicious, and dangerous WELL before ad blockers existed. Ad blockers are a response to abusive, malicious, and dangerous advertising. Sadly there are very few reliable ways to whitelist trustworthy advertising. Google and Facebook et al. have all served harmful advertising at some point. It's too late to turn this around. All trust is lost with advertisers, and to be honest, I'm not sure a system based on trust was ever going to work anyway. Content creators must now create new ways to derive value from their work. Perhaps we go back to an internet where people wrote blogs and posted pictures not for money, but as a hobby. I think that was a better internet.
upboundspiral 2mo ago
If I allocated proportionally pieces of $5 to my favorite content producers a month they would get orders of magnitude more than what they get from me watching ads. I hate ads, I hate the experience of having something in between me and what I want to do, having random images sent through my eyeballs, etc. So no, not everyone wins with advertising. Google et al make more money (or at least think they do) through advertising and eschew micropayments for this reason, but that doesn't make micropayments unprofitable. And I don't want things for free if it means watching ads.
jjmarr 2mo ago
There are multiple standarss for better advertisements[1][2] and AdBlock Plus introduced "acceptable ads" whitelisting if your ad meets one of the criteria.[3] Consumers do not want this and this "acceptable ads" policy is what caused the shift from AdBlock Plus to uBlock Origin. I'd rather the government sponsor a roundtable between advertisers/browser manufacturers to discuss coming up with a legally protected "acceptable ads" programme to be enforced by default without causing antitrust problems. [1] https://www.betterads.org/standards/ https://www.betterads.org/standards/ [2] https://www.acceptableadscommittee.org/the-standard/ https://www.acceptableadscommittee.org/the-standard/ [3] https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads
nicce 2mo ago
> without it they won't produce quality content. If the content would be really high quality and exceptional, people would pay for it. But if it close to something people publish even without ads, then they don’t pay for it.
rustcleaner 2mo ago
No. All ads, and I mean all ads, must be blocked. Our children must be raised to hate the product and brand that is shoved in their faces by an advertisement. I already keep mental notes of what ads I see alot and never, ever expend money on those brands or products. The fastest way to get me to never ever buy your brand, product, or service is to show me ads for it, and I want to spread my thought process to others so you have to actually make something decent that can spread word-of-mouth... rather than something to advertise.

by petilon 2mo ago

Neywiny 2mo ago

I wish that were true

JimBlackwood 2mo ago

I’d be happy for a content producer wide subscription that would disable ads on all participating sites. As long as that doesn’t exist, I’m happy with my adblocker. Next to that, my device, my choice what I get to see and what I don’t get to see.

davkan 2mo ago

No. I will not discriminate between which ads I block when neither the site operators nor the ad networks discriminate on what they host. The moment i turn off my ad block I’m up to my eyeballs in lies and scams and garbage. No. Thanks. This ad funded internet needs to die. It is rotten to the core and advertising is the source of almost all the evils of the modern web. As long as enough of the general public continues to not Adblock I’ll enjoy my free ride.

awepofiwaop 2mo ago

I care about having a general purpose web content blocker. I use it for blocking all kinds of things that aren't ads, like YouTube comment sections, random noisy useless cruft I don't care about, etc.

kromokromo 2mo ago

No. We need to think in other ways than the ad economy. I’d gladly pay for good content if there was a decent system set up for it.

duxup 2mo ago
But there’s not and the end result is the same.
- tensor 2mo ago
  Youtube paid works. People pay, get no ads. Kagi so far seems to be doing well for search too. One model may not work for all content types but to say that there is no alternative is straight up not true.
  - duxup 2mo ago
    I'm not sure Youtube doing fine while local news sources go under and such a is a positive.
    - tensor 2mo ago
      What local news sources are going under? As far as I've seen not many actually are. I'm paying my local newspaper, it seems to be doing just fine.
      - duxup 2mo ago
        Dwindling of news outsets / local news outlets has been pretty widely covered, as are the results: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31976955 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31976955
rustcleaner 2mo ago
I find the best content is free content, made from passion rather than monetary need.

Gareth321 2mo ago

> When you block abusive ads (as opposed to all ads), advertisers are encouraged to make their ads less abusive. Ads were made abusive, malicious, and dangerous WELL before ad blockers existed. Ad blockers are a response to abusive, malicious, and dangerous advertising. Sadly there are very few reliable ways to whitelist trustworthy advertising. Google and Facebook et al. have all served harmful advertising at some point. It's too late to turn this around. All trust is lost with advertisers, and to be honest, I'm not sure a system based on trust was ever going to work anyway. Content creators must now create new ways to derive value from their work. Perhaps we go back to an internet where people wrote blogs and posted pictures not for money, but as a hobby. I think that was a better internet.

upboundspiral 2mo ago

If I allocated proportionally pieces of $5 to my favorite content producers a month they would get orders of magnitude more than what they get from me watching ads. I hate ads, I hate the experience of having something in between me and what I want to do, having random images sent through my eyeballs, etc. So no, not everyone wins with advertising. Google et al make more money (or at least think they do) through advertising and eschew micropayments for this reason, but that doesn't make micropayments unprofitable. And I don't want things for free if it means watching ads.

jjmarr 2mo ago

There are multiple standarss for better advertisements[1][2] and AdBlock Plus introduced "acceptable ads" whitelisting if your ad meets one of the criteria.[3] Consumers do not want this and this "acceptable ads" policy is what caused the shift from AdBlock Plus to uBlock Origin. I'd rather the government sponsor a roundtable between advertisers/browser manufacturers to discuss coming up with a legally protected "acceptable ads" programme to be enforced by default without causing antitrust problems. [1] https://www.betterads.org/standards/ https://www.betterads.org/standards/ [2] https://www.acceptableadscommittee.org/the-standard/ https://www.acceptableadscommittee.org/the-standard/ [3] https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads

nicce 2mo ago

> without it they won't produce quality content. If the content would be really high quality and exceptional, people would pay for it. But if it close to something people publish even without ads, then they don’t pay for it.

rustcleaner 2mo ago

No. All ads, and I mean all ads, must be blocked. Our children must be raised to hate the product and brand that is shoved in their faces by an advertisement. I already keep mental notes of what ads I see alot and never, ever expend money on those brands or products. The fastest way to get me to never ever buy your brand, product, or service is to show me ads for it, and I want to spread my thought process to others so you have to actually make something decent that can spread word-of-mouth... rather than something to advertise.