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In case anyone here missed it, there's a native Ublock Origin for Safari. It works great → https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698 https:/

by internet2000 2mo ago

In case anyone here missed it, there's a native Ublock Origin for Safari. It works great → https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id6745342698 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

Nextgrid 2mo ago
This is not a true uBlock Origin. It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework, but is nowhere near as capable as actual UBO.
- NegativeLatency 2mo ago
  Works well enough for me
  - Cider9986 2mo ago
    Does it work on YouTube?
    - armadyl 2mo ago
      Yes, in practice I have noticed no difference between uBO and uBOL. The only thing I've seen it not block are Twtich ads which the normal uBO doesn't block anyway. There are probably additional things behind the scenes just due to the limitations of uBOL but you again in practice don't see it.
      - Cider9986 2mo ago
        Twitch ads are a nuisance. If you have a VPN switching to Romania or other eastern european countries can work.
        armadyl 2mo ago
        I agree. I only really watch one or two streamers though both who I’m subscribed to so whatever. It is painful if I check into a random stream though lol
  - fsflover 2mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305464 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305464
- lapcat 2mo ago
  > It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework uBlock Origin Lite uses the cross-platform DeclarativeNetRequest extension API: https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/declarativeNetRequest https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtens... Google invented this API for Chrome, and the other web browsers are adopting it. uBlock Origin Lite does not use Apple's content blocker API.
simcop2387 2mo ago
Mostly so, it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking, https://ublockorigin.com/#manifest-v3-section https://ublockorigin.com/#manifest-v3-section In particular: * Cannot use all filter lists simultaneously (rule limits apply) * No cosmetic filtering in the default mode * No scriptlet injection by default * Limited dynamic filtering capabilities * Requires broader host permissions upfront But it's definitely still better than no adblockers
- armadyl 2mo ago
  Regarding the cosmetic filtering and scriptlet injection, are these even relevant? Most uBO users already give full access to the extension, so they'll probably do the same to uBOL to (most permissions + complete filtering mode). So basically they will have these features anyway.
- GeekyBear 2mo ago
  > it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking The only mainstream browser left that can still run the full version of uBlock Origin is Firefox. All the others have the same limitations imposed by Manifest V3.
  - dawnerd 2mo ago
    iOS Firefox the same though.
    - stymaar 2mo ago
      Thanks Apple for inflicting the Safari monopoly to all iOS users.
      - zer0zzz 2mo ago
        Let’s be real, this is more of an anti-monopoly
odo1242 2mo ago
Also, if you use Orion Browser, they did implement the full Manifest v2 extension spec on top of WebKit, which lets you use full uBlock origin directly.
- SoftTalker 2mo ago
  This is why I started using the Orion browser. It's not perfect, I've had a few freezes and occasional weird behavior but well within the "tolerable" range for me, and not noticably worse than the glitches that any ad blocker causes on some sites.
- jorvi 2mo ago
  Does that really matter if virtually no one is going to develop extensions according to the Manifest v2 spec? Developing for that spec means your extension is incompatible with idk, 98% of the browser market?
  - odo1242 2mo ago
    Well, uBlock will maintain support, and Orion also supports Manifest v3
- anon7000 2mo ago
  I try Orion periodically but always find it to be buggy
  - freediver 2mo ago
    We'd love to hear from you about specific bugs.
armadyl 2mo ago
FYI uBlock Origin Lite on iOS is inferior to AdGuard and (I think) Wipr as it's just a WebExtension, so it'll only block ads within Safari itself. AdGuard and Wipr use both the Web Extension and Content Blocker APIs, so they'll block ads in all web views system wide on top of within Safari itself. However as far as trustworthiness goes, uBlock is (imo) #1.
- Barbing 2mo ago
  wBlock by an MIT student is open source and seems (just!) about as trustworthy as uBlock, though of course without the track record. Light & fast, especially to update. “wBlock runs entirely within Safari's content blocking API. There's no data collection, no tracking, and no system-level extensions that can monitor your browsing.“ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wblock/id6746388723 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wblock/id6746388723 / GH: https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock On AdGuard: can act as your PiHole and allow you to see network requests when run in non-native mode.
  - Aboutplants 2mo ago
    Thanks for the link, I like it so far
  - armadyl 2mo ago
    Nice, last time I heard about wblock felt like years ago and I'm not sure why I didn't consider it. These days I don't run on-device adblock, I just do DNS filtering for the most part but I'll check it out, not sure I wanna keep tunneling all my DNS queries to ControlD perpetually lol
  - mmooss 2mo ago
    Just a comment on the narrative: > wBlock by an MIT student is open source It's funny to me that some find that narrative appealing. Here's another narrative: Many of those MIT students go on to be SV founders and employees who build, operate, and make millions or billions from the mass surveillance and ad industry. And I'm sure some participated in FOSS in college - what better way to build your resume for the surveillance/ad industry? (I'm not commenting on the wBlock developer; I think all such narratives are deceiving and should be ignored.)
hackersnooze1 2mo ago
Is this new? I thought adguard was the only option
marc_g 2mo ago
I had missed that! Thanks a lot, saved me a lot of annoyance on my phone.

Nextgrid 2mo ago

This is not a true uBlock Origin. It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework, but is nowhere near as capable as actual UBO.

NegativeLatency 2mo ago
Works well enough for me
- Cider9986 2mo ago
  Does it work on YouTube?
  - armadyl 2mo ago
    Yes, in practice I have noticed no difference between uBO and uBOL. The only thing I've seen it not block are Twtich ads which the normal uBO doesn't block anyway. There are probably additional things behind the scenes just due to the limitations of uBOL but you again in practice don't see it.
    - Cider9986 2mo ago
      Twitch ads are a nuisance. If you have a VPN switching to Romania or other eastern european countries can work.
      - armadyl 2mo ago
        I agree. I only really watch one or two streamers though both who I’m subscribed to so whatever. It is painful if I check into a random stream though lol
- fsflover 2mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305464 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49305464
lapcat 2mo ago
> It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework uBlock Origin Lite uses the cross-platform DeclarativeNetRequest extension API: https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/declarativeNetRequest https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtens... Google invented this API for Chrome, and the other web browsers are adopting it. uBlock Origin Lite does not use Apple's content blocker API.

simcop2387 2mo ago

Mostly so, it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking, https://ublockorigin.com/#manifest-v3-section https://ublockorigin.com/#manifest-v3-section In particular: * Cannot use all filter lists simultaneously (rule limits apply) * No cosmetic filtering in the default mode * No scriptlet injection by default * Limited dynamic filtering capabilities * Requires broader host permissions upfront But it's definitely still better than no adblockers

armadyl 2mo ago
Regarding the cosmetic filtering and scriptlet injection, are these even relevant? Most uBO users already give full access to the extension, so they'll probably do the same to uBOL to (most permissions + complete filtering mode). So basically they will have these features anyway.
GeekyBear 2mo ago
> it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking The only mainstream browser left that can still run the full version of uBlock Origin is Firefox. All the others have the same limitations imposed by Manifest V3.
- dawnerd 2mo ago
  iOS Firefox the same though.
  - stymaar 2mo ago
    Thanks Apple for inflicting the Safari monopoly to all iOS users.
    - zer0zzz 2mo ago
      Let’s be real, this is more of an anti-monopoly

odo1242 2mo ago

Also, if you use Orion Browser, they did implement the full Manifest v2 extension spec on top of WebKit, which lets you use full uBlock origin directly.

SoftTalker 2mo ago
This is why I started using the Orion browser. It's not perfect, I've had a few freezes and occasional weird behavior but well within the "tolerable" range for me, and not noticably worse than the glitches that any ad blocker causes on some sites.
jorvi 2mo ago
Does that really matter if virtually no one is going to develop extensions according to the Manifest v2 spec? Developing for that spec means your extension is incompatible with idk, 98% of the browser market?
- odo1242 2mo ago
  Well, uBlock will maintain support, and Orion also supports Manifest v3
anon7000 2mo ago
I try Orion periodically but always find it to be buggy
- freediver 2mo ago
  We'd love to hear from you about specific bugs.

armadyl 2mo ago

FYI uBlock Origin Lite on iOS is inferior to AdGuard and (I think) Wipr as it's just a WebExtension, so it'll only block ads within Safari itself. AdGuard and Wipr use both the Web Extension and Content Blocker APIs, so they'll block ads in all web views system wide on top of within Safari itself. However as far as trustworthiness goes, uBlock is (imo) #1.

Barbing 2mo ago
wBlock by an MIT student is open source and seems (just!) about as trustworthy as uBlock, though of course without the track record. Light & fast, especially to update. “wBlock runs entirely within Safari's content blocking API. There's no data collection, no tracking, and no system-level extensions that can monitor your browsing.“ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wblock/id6746388723 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wblock/id6746388723 / GH: https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock On AdGuard: can act as your PiHole and allow you to see network requests when run in non-native mode.
- Aboutplants 2mo ago
  Thanks for the link, I like it so far
- armadyl 2mo ago
  Nice, last time I heard about wblock felt like years ago and I'm not sure why I didn't consider it. These days I don't run on-device adblock, I just do DNS filtering for the most part but I'll check it out, not sure I wanna keep tunneling all my DNS queries to ControlD perpetually lol
- mmooss 2mo ago
  Just a comment on the narrative: > wBlock by an MIT student is open source It's funny to me that some find that narrative appealing. Here's another narrative: Many of those MIT students go on to be SV founders and employees who build, operate, and make millions or billions from the mass surveillance and ad industry. And I'm sure some participated in FOSS in college - what better way to build your resume for the surveillance/ad industry? (I'm not commenting on the wBlock developer; I think all such narratives are deceiving and should be ignored.)

hackersnooze1 2mo ago

Is this new? I thought adguard was the only option

marc_g 2mo ago

I had missed that! Thanks a lot, saved me a lot of annoyance on my phone.