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Fiber is not a supplement, or at least it’s not just a supplement. It’s the primary thing that makes fruits and vegetables healthy. We’ve already known fruits

Fiber is not a supplement, or at least it’s not just a supplement. It’s the primary thing that makes fruits and vegetables healthy. We’ve already known fruits and vegetables are healthy. Fiber is the reason why eating an orange is good, but drinking a glass of orange juice is about equivalent to a bottle of coke. That’s not an exaggeration, by the way, it’s about the same sugar content. If you want to eat the recommended 35g of fiber a day, you won’t be able to reach it with just supplements. You need to be eating fruits and vegetables at every meal. For my entire life, everyone has been saying to eat fruits and vegetables at every meal in large quantities.

halJordan 2mo ago
I think there's more to an orange than just fiber. And it's disingenuous to say there isn't, and hurts your credibility to say it. And you absolutely are saying that, no dithering or hem-hawing needed
- preg_match 2mo ago
  Yes there are additional vitamins in oranges, particularly vitamin C, but for most Americans they are not at risk of a vitamin C deficiency. We supplement and enrich our food a lot, you’re really not at risk of not eating enough essential vitamins. Getting, say, scurvy would be pretty much impossible in modern day America. Not to mention most of the vitamin C survives. But the fiber does not survive. The fiber alone is what makes the sugar intake okay - fiber slows and prevents blood sugar spikes, which, over time, is what causes insulin resistance and then diabetes. Drinking orange juice is diabetes fodder. Again, it’s basically soda. Eating oranges doesn’t have that effect because of the fiber. Also, another note on vitamins: for most vitamins, once you get enough, the rest is wasted. It’s not like eating more vitamin C gives you more and more benefits. No, your body has an amount it needs, which is quite low. Past that, you pass it in urine. The amount you need you reach every day with no effort. And, additional vitamins still have to be metabolized in the liver and go through the kidneys. Too much vitamin intake is damaging, many doctors can tell you stories of acute liver failure as a result of excessive vitamin intake. It’s basically impossible to do that via food. But when you see those vitamin supplements that are like “2000% daily value” - yeah, don’t take those. You’re not getting any benefit.
  - 6510 2mo ago
    We don't really know the situation with C. The urine tube is cleaned but only for a while. We are the only creatures who cant produce it. Some animals produce 200 mg/kg, a 70kg goat makes about 13000 mg. Our RDA is based on scurvy which seems something you'd want to stay far away from. I hear you can safely increase the dosage until you get digestive issues (farting) Nobel laureate Linus Pauling (chemist) lived to be 93 taking 18000 mg per day.

halJordan 2mo ago

I think there's more to an orange than just fiber. And it's disingenuous to say there isn't, and hurts your credibility to say it. And you absolutely are saying that, no dithering or hem-hawing needed

preg_match 2mo ago
Yes there are additional vitamins in oranges, particularly vitamin C, but for most Americans they are not at risk of a vitamin C deficiency. We supplement and enrich our food a lot, you’re really not at risk of not eating enough essential vitamins. Getting, say, scurvy would be pretty much impossible in modern day America. Not to mention most of the vitamin C survives. But the fiber does not survive. The fiber alone is what makes the sugar intake okay - fiber slows and prevents blood sugar spikes, which, over time, is what causes insulin resistance and then diabetes. Drinking orange juice is diabetes fodder. Again, it’s basically soda. Eating oranges doesn’t have that effect because of the fiber. Also, another note on vitamins: for most vitamins, once you get enough, the rest is wasted. It’s not like eating more vitamin C gives you more and more benefits. No, your body has an amount it needs, which is quite low. Past that, you pass it in urine. The amount you need you reach every day with no effort. And, additional vitamins still have to be metabolized in the liver and go through the kidneys. Too much vitamin intake is damaging, many doctors can tell you stories of acute liver failure as a result of excessive vitamin intake. It’s basically impossible to do that via food. But when you see those vitamin supplements that are like “2000% daily value” - yeah, don’t take those. You’re not getting any benefit.
- 6510 2mo ago
  We don't really know the situation with C. The urine tube is cleaned but only for a while. We are the only creatures who cant produce it. Some animals produce 200 mg/kg, a 70kg goat makes about 13000 mg. Our RDA is based on scurvy which seems something you'd want to stay far away from. I hear you can safely increase the dosage until you get digestive issues (farting) Nobel laureate Linus Pauling (chemist) lived to be 93 taking 18000 mg per day.