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<drug> consumers every time: it's actually not bad in moderate consumption/I can quit any time/medication is always a question of dosage Looks to me like even
by rf15 2mo ago
<drug> consumers every time: it's actually not bad in moderate consumption/I can quit any time/medication is always a question of dosage
Looks to me like even taking meds for a prolonged amount of time shows you that to any problem you try to fix with externally administered chemistry always has a downside to deal with, too.
Please stop trying to frame your drug habit as a good thing, be it caffeine, weed or worse things like alcohol and beyond. Another one of those things where your mental health depends on you not understanding the problems you cause yourself.
- mik1998 2mo agoIt's not bad in moderation. Sugar is much more addictive and harmful than alcohol, and it's also fine in moderation.
- Pooge 2mo agoHeroin is fine in moderation! /s The thing is that it's impossible to moderate one's intake as, as you said, it's addictive.
- mik1998 2mo agoVast majority of adults consume alcohol in moderation, so clearly it is possible. It's really not that addictive if you don't have some physical or psychological predisposition to alcoholism.
- Pooge 2mo agoSorry, I was talking about sugar.
- fragmede 2mo agoI mean, it is. We give it a different name and highly control it, but if you're getting end of life treatment for cancer or whatever, they give you powerful pain relievers in the hospital, under tight control.
- nialse 2mo agoPlease provide any scientific evidence of your claim.
- mik1998 2mo agoUSA deaths: mean estimate for obesity-attributable death was 324 940 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10546692/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10546692/ USA deaths: About 178,000 (about 5% of all) yearly deaths from excessive alcohol occurred in 2020 and 2021 in the United States https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics-z/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-related-emergencies-and-deaths-united-states https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-to...
- puelocesar 2mo agoBut I don’t think you get obesity just by eating sugar, you get diabetes. Obesity depends on other factors and eating habits doesn’t it?
- nialse 2mo agoYour claim was: "Sugar is much more addictive and harmful than alcohol". I have no objection to the claim that obesity claims more lives than alcohol in the US.
- rf15 2mo agoBasically every culture is built around the consumption of carbohydrates, which are all similarly easy to absorb like sugar. Rice, Potatoes, Bread, it's all in the same category in my understanding. An easy source of burnable energy, easier to break down into the "right kind" of carbon rings than e.g. fat. The comparison is kinda weak, this is literally one of the pathways of our basic metabolism. Unlike alcohol, which has a complex and toxic pathway to get anywhere.
- chezelenkoooo 2mo agoSugar is not addictive nor is it "much more harmful than alcohol". No one out there is just eating spoons of sugar because of its addictive properties. Your post about obesity doesn't imply it's all about sugar. One of the reasons obesity is such an issue is because of the combination of sweet and savoury foods that are very calories dense and not very satiating.
- eecc 2mo ago“No one out there is just eating spoons of sugar because of its addictive properties.” Says who? Go check how much sugar is dissolved in soda, it’s more that a spoonful and ask yourself why? .
- laserlight 2mo ago> Go check how much sugar is dissolved in soda Your “counterargument” supports the argument that you quoted though. People can't eat spoonfuls of sugar, but they can drink it when dissolved in flavorful, acidic water.
- tejtm 2mo agoExcept the part where where alcohol metabolizes into aldehyde species which cause double strand DNA breaks faster than we can repair them and we get moderate cancers ... but other than that it is great (ignoring the behavioral aberrations).
- preg_match 2mo agoAlcohol is definitely much, much, MUCH more harmful than sugar - especially when we consider alcohol itself contains extreme amounts of sugar. I'm talking more than soda.
- nkmnz 2mo agoI think Taleb's argument is more along two lines: 1. Hormesis ("low-dose exposures have a beneficial effect and high-dose amounts are either inhibitory to function or toxic"[0]) 2. Evolutionary adaptation: alcohol has been around humans since literally forever, it has even been a part of our evolutionary ancestors' diet for millions of years. For us, it occurs in (over)ripe fruit, bread, and in some of us via natural fermentation in the stomach. Directed creation of alcoholic beverages has been done for more than 10.000 years, on top of that. This puts alcohol in a completely different risk class of substances compared with other legal or illegal drugs, because risk is a function of (mal)adaptation. I'd be inclined to limit this argument to fermented products and exclude distilled spirits. 3. "Drunk hypothesis": the true beneficial effect on humans could be failed to be measured by life expectancy of a single human, and instead should be measured by the "life expectancy" of societies and their cultural dominance as [1] hypothesizes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis [1] https://www.mpg.de/25055517/alcohol-and-the-rise-of-complex-societies https://www.mpg.de/25055517/alcohol-and-the-rise-of-complex-...
- scoofy 2mo agoYes, this is all along the line of thinking laid out in Skin in the Game, which was a difficult read for me, because I found myself agreeing with him on many, many similar ideas that I did not want to agree with him on.
- nkmnz 2mo agoSame. I still do not agree with some of his stances on high dose creatine, genetic engineering, neurosciences, and Israel, which led him to block me on Twitter. Sometimes, he acts like a sad guy. But his writing is genius. No wonder, he’s able to sell the same book under 5 different titles!