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Would you trust it to make life and death decisions? Because it is being used in that context. Drones with AI, armed, and with discretion to choose a target and

by spl757 2mo ago

Would you trust it to make life and death decisions? Because it is being used in that context. Drones with AI, armed, and with discretion to choose a target and kill it.

salawat 2mo ago
The types of people using it that way are not concerned with the best interests of anyone but themselves, and arguably not even that except within a very immediate time horizon.
- spl757 2mo ago
  Perhaps you should be concerned about it. I certainly am. This is deployed on the battlefield and has been for months.
  - salawat 2mo ago
    What makes you think I'm not concerned about it? I've been positively mortified at the seeming cavalier way in which all caution is thrown to the winds. I've honestly had to fundamentally reassess my understanding of the average character of humanity given the last decade. Fact is, those with the foresight to see how this can go badly are also seemingly the types of people who don't end up in a position to prevent harms by it. Furthermore, it seems inevitable in a sense, because greed for power seems to necessitate development of automated weapons in ASAP in spite of the risks, and the fact it basically renders traditional warfare pointless. It appears we'll have to learn the hard lessons, same as our forebearers with. I just hope we can avoid having to regress back to sticks and stones on account of fucking ourselves by overdoing our capability to destroy on account of not being willing0able to peacefully coexist.
    - spl757 2mo ago
      Thanks for the response. I see it pretty much the same way.
spl757 2mo ago
I'm not talking about a hypothetical. I'm talking about Ukraine assymetrically fucking up the Russians with AI drones.
burnt-resistor 2mo ago
No, because that's Terminator territory (ULAWS). Since drones' inception, US military required an officer to approve lethal weapon release until at least 2013 and it may or may not still be required. The official policy is DODD 3000.09, which uses the vague word "appropriate" 22 times, but doesn't allow unsupervised lethal autonomous (ULAWS) yet. Maybe someone knows what the criteria are used around in the world's militaries these days beyond Political Declaration on Responsible Military Use of Artificial Intelligence and Autonomy (2023-2024) (which Ukraine signed) (There's a competing REAIM 2023 Call to Action that Ukraine didn't sign with a note.[0]) In other news, New Orleans 911 is using AI to triage localized incident duplication calls from unique emergencies. I'm not saying that it's good or their only practical choice, but it's happening. The biggest dangers I see are the outsourcing of supervisory control, appeal to authority (when used to summarize content or answer a question), and hallucinated mistakes. 0. (PDF) https://docs-library.unoda.org/General_Assembly_First_Committee_-Eightieth_session_%282025%29/79-239-Ukraine-EN.pdf https://docs-library.unoda.org/General_Assembly_First_Commit... 1. PDRMUAIA https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-arms-control-deterrence-and-stability/political-declaration-on-responsible-military-use-of-artificial-intelligence-and-autonomy https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-arms-control-deterrence-and-... 2. REAIM 2023 Call to Action https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-call-to-action https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-ca... 3. REAIM 2023 Endorsing Countries and Territories https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-endorsing-countries https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-en...
The_GreatWorks 2mo ago
Completely different type of AI

by spl757 2mo ago

Would you trust it to make life and death decisions? Because it is being used in that context. Drones with AI, armed, and with discretion to choose a target and kill it.

salawat 2mo ago

The types of people using it that way are not concerned with the best interests of anyone but themselves, and arguably not even that except within a very immediate time horizon.

spl757 2mo ago
Perhaps you should be concerned about it. I certainly am. This is deployed on the battlefield and has been for months.
- salawat 2mo ago
  What makes you think I'm not concerned about it? I've been positively mortified at the seeming cavalier way in which all caution is thrown to the winds. I've honestly had to fundamentally reassess my understanding of the average character of humanity given the last decade. Fact is, those with the foresight to see how this can go badly are also seemingly the types of people who don't end up in a position to prevent harms by it. Furthermore, it seems inevitable in a sense, because greed for power seems to necessitate development of automated weapons in ASAP in spite of the risks, and the fact it basically renders traditional warfare pointless. It appears we'll have to learn the hard lessons, same as our forebearers with. I just hope we can avoid having to regress back to sticks and stones on account of fucking ourselves by overdoing our capability to destroy on account of not being willing0able to peacefully coexist.
  - spl757 2mo ago
    Thanks for the response. I see it pretty much the same way.

spl757 2mo ago

I'm not talking about a hypothetical. I'm talking about Ukraine assymetrically fucking up the Russians with AI drones.

burnt-resistor 2mo ago

No, because that's Terminator territory (ULAWS). Since drones' inception, US military required an officer to approve lethal weapon release until at least 2013 and it may or may not still be required. The official policy is DODD 3000.09, which uses the vague word "appropriate" 22 times, but doesn't allow unsupervised lethal autonomous (ULAWS) yet. Maybe someone knows what the criteria are used around in the world's militaries these days beyond Political Declaration on Responsible Military Use of Artificial Intelligence and Autonomy (2023-2024) (which Ukraine signed) (There's a competing REAIM 2023 Call to Action that Ukraine didn't sign with a note.[0]) In other news, New Orleans 911 is using AI to triage localized incident duplication calls from unique emergencies. I'm not saying that it's good or their only practical choice, but it's happening. The biggest dangers I see are the outsourcing of supervisory control, appeal to authority (when used to summarize content or answer a question), and hallucinated mistakes. 0. (PDF) https://docs-library.unoda.org/General_Assembly_First_Committee_-Eightieth_session_%282025%29/79-239-Ukraine-EN.pdf https://docs-library.unoda.org/General_Assembly_First_Commit... 1. PDRMUAIA https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-arms-control-deterrence-and-stability/political-declaration-on-responsible-military-use-of-artificial-intelligence-and-autonomy https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-arms-control-deterrence-and-... 2. REAIM 2023 Call to Action https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-call-to-action https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-ca... 3. REAIM 2023 Endorsing Countries and Territories https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-endorsing-countries https://www.government.nl/documents/2023/02/16/reaim-2023-en...

The_GreatWorks 2mo ago

Completely different type of AI