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The choices are oddly and not consistently worded. "Ban LLM contributions from Debian via Social Contract", "A cautious approach to generative AI", "Debian is c

The choices are oddly and not consistently worded. "Ban LLM contributions from Debian via Social Contract", "A cautious approach to generative AI", "Debian is created by humans" and "Avoid the use of LLM: climate destruction is a deal breaker" all in one list? Sounds like several people wrote them and did not agree on the form.

Tomte 2mo ago
> Sounds like several people wrote them and did not agree on the form Of course several people wrote different position statements to vote on. Did you expect one Debian developer to cook up half a dozen possible stances he is not even personally invested in? Are you constantly surprised that election programs of different parties are worded differently (and use different fonts)?
- cromka 2mo ago
  Dude, chill with the strawman and the aggression. Bad day?
  - Tomte 2mo ago
    There is no aggression, and "dudeing" me makes me disregard you immediately anyway.
    - DANmode 2mo ago
      If we’re disregarding people based on how they express themselves, Keybase is owned by Zoom now…
    - deleted 2mo ago
      [deleted]
  - forestrywat 2mo ago
    Fwiw, I perceive no aggression in their post.
- penchant 2mo ago
  Obviously not, you misunderstood my point. And the election programs comparison makes no sense.
pm215 2mo ago
This is the way general resolutions in Debian generally work. There's a lot of pre-vote discussion where different people and groups propose and draft their preferred options, to produce what they feel is the best expression of their position. If you can get enough seconders for your proposal it goes on the ballot, with the text you chose and your seconders agreed with. There isn't any requirement for the options to use consistent terminology or avoid overlap, and no overarching editorial process to impose consistency (which would be tricky anyway in cases like this where terminology choices and overall framing can be part of the disagreement between people.)
- penchant 2mo ago
  Thank you for a valuable response; I did not know this.

Tomte 2mo ago

> Sounds like several people wrote them and did not agree on the form Of course several people wrote different position statements to vote on. Did you expect one Debian developer to cook up half a dozen possible stances he is not even personally invested in? Are you constantly surprised that election programs of different parties are worded differently (and use different fonts)?

cromka 2mo ago
Dude, chill with the strawman and the aggression. Bad day?
- Tomte 2mo ago
  There is no aggression, and "dudeing" me makes me disregard you immediately anyway.
  - DANmode 2mo ago
    If we’re disregarding people based on how they express themselves, Keybase is owned by Zoom now…
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
- forestrywat 2mo ago
  Fwiw, I perceive no aggression in their post.
penchant 2mo ago
Obviously not, you misunderstood my point. And the election programs comparison makes no sense.

pm215 2mo ago

This is the way general resolutions in Debian generally work. There's a lot of pre-vote discussion where different people and groups propose and draft their preferred options, to produce what they feel is the best expression of their position. If you can get enough seconders for your proposal it goes on the ballot, with the text you chose and your seconders agreed with. There isn't any requirement for the options to use consistent terminology or avoid overlap, and no overarching editorial process to impose consistency (which would be tricky anyway in cases like this where terminology choices and overall framing can be part of the disagreement between people.)

penchant 2mo ago
Thank you for a valuable response; I did not know this.