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Well.. yea, because it's the US that creates the list, and they don't know or understand that systems like ID numbers exists.

by boxed 2mo ago

nevdka 2mo ago
Americans use their social security numbers like id numbers in all sorts of systems. This problem has nothing to do with id numbers.
- boxed 2mo ago
  Well.. it does. There's no checksum in social security numbers for example, that's actually a pretty big deal. The lack of proper buy in on what a personal ID number IS and what it's for is also a huge deal (although not a technical issue, more legal and social for sure).
dghlsakjg 2mo ago
Or they understand that ID numbers are a less than perfect way to identify people. I’m applying for a second citizenship. That means that I can have two national ids that are unlinked. In the US, you can petition to have your SSN number changed, as well, so that doesn’t work. If you are willing to commit crimes and lie, it isn’t that hard to spin up an entirely new identity. Some people are born to parents that don’t notify the government. The real world is incredibly messy. If I were to be placed on a list with one passport/id, I could just use a different one. The bigger issue is that the list is meant as a risk alert, but companies treat a match as truth because the penalty for doing business with a sanctioned entity is far higher than whatever they might lose by not hiring someone mistakenly. What you need, at minimum, if you are going to make these lists is an easy way for false positive people to prove they aren’t the person named (tsa/homeland security have a “redress number” you can provide if you have the same name as someone on their list). Then a legal requirement that anyone checking this list must also ask for additional documentation if they are making a decision based on a hit.
- boxed 2mo ago
  > I’m applying for a second citizenship. I'm sorry what? A second citizenship to the same country?
  - dghlsakjg 2mo ago
    A different country. Many countries allow their citizens to be a citizen of other countries. I won’t have two unlinked national ids to the same country, I would have a national id in two countries.
    - boxed 2mo ago
      Well obviously national IDs are... national.

Well.. yea, because it's the US that creates the list, and they don't know or understand that systems like ID numbers exists.

by boxed 2mo ago

Well.. yea, because it's the US that creates the list, and they don't know or understand that systems like ID numbers exists.

nevdka 2mo ago

Americans use their social security numbers like id numbers in all sorts of systems. This problem has nothing to do with id numbers.

boxed 2mo ago
Well.. it does. There's no checksum in social security numbers for example, that's actually a pretty big deal. The lack of proper buy in on what a personal ID number IS and what it's for is also a huge deal (although not a technical issue, more legal and social for sure).

dghlsakjg 2mo ago

Or they understand that ID numbers are a less than perfect way to identify people. I’m applying for a second citizenship. That means that I can have two national ids that are unlinked. In the US, you can petition to have your SSN number changed, as well, so that doesn’t work. If you are willing to commit crimes and lie, it isn’t that hard to spin up an entirely new identity. Some people are born to parents that don’t notify the government. The real world is incredibly messy. If I were to be placed on a list with one passport/id, I could just use a different one. The bigger issue is that the list is meant as a risk alert, but companies treat a match as truth because the penalty for doing business with a sanctioned entity is far higher than whatever they might lose by not hiring someone mistakenly. What you need, at minimum, if you are going to make these lists is an easy way for false positive people to prove they aren’t the person named (tsa/homeland security have a “redress number” you can provide if you have the same name as someone on their list). Then a legal requirement that anyone checking this list must also ask for additional documentation if they are making a decision based on a hit.

boxed 2mo ago
> I’m applying for a second citizenship. I'm sorry what? A second citizenship to the same country?
- dghlsakjg 2mo ago
  A different country. Many countries allow their citizens to be a citizen of other countries. I won’t have two unlinked national ids to the same country, I would have a national id in two countries.
  - boxed 2mo ago
    Well obviously national IDs are... national.