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Who can complain about an (alleged) increase of javascript speed of 4x. Unfortunately, apparently still no support for plug-ins? And the vaguely suggested hel

Who can complain about an (alleged) increase of javascript speed of 4x. Unfortunately, apparently still no support for plug-ins? And the vaguely suggested help for developers... marginal: "built-in web developer tools to debug, tweak and optimize a website for peak performance and compatibility"

sc 18y ago
The built-in web developer is definitely on-par with Firebug and Web Developer. In some ways it's even nicer. As far as plug-ins go, Safari's had them for years. Apple just doesn't support them or advertise them.
jws 18y ago
Funny, the flash blocking plugin I use still works. http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master
- dchest 18y ago
  It works because it uses Safari's real plugin architecture, not input manager hacks.
  - dchest 18y ago
    See http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:olonKuXb1G4J:developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/InternetWeb/Conceptual/WebKit_PluginProgTopic/WebKit_PluginProgTopic.pdf+safari+plugin+architecture&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=safari#9 http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:olonKuXb1G4J:developer.a... "WebKit–Based Plug-ins" This is how ClickToFlash works.
unalone 18y ago
Unfortunately, apparently still no support for plug-ins? Safari has supported plugins since before I got my first Mac. I use Inquisitor for searching right now. Google SafariStand if you don't believe me. Mac users who want to block ads can get GlimmerBlocker, which blocks ads on every browser at once. If you want to customize Safari further, GreaseKit allows you to inject your own code into sites (it's Greasemonkey). Apple won't do anything further. In their mind a program should be designed with the right features in mind up front, and then everything else can be hacked for the people who really, really care. Most of the people who use Safari like that a lot. I do.
- dchest 18y ago
  These are input manager hacks, they are not real plugins.
  - unalone 18y ago
    My point was that the big things I'd want a plugin for you can do. GlimmerBlocker is incredible. I don't want StumbleUpon. I don't want Snap Previews. I don't want del.icio.us or a music player plugin or whatever else plugins offer. I want a browser that lets me access the web as powerfully as possible. The only plugins I care about are the ones who make that more efficient.
    - maximilian 18y ago
      I want delicious syncing. I like that in firefox on my linux box.
      - unalone 18y ago
        I'm not a Delicious user - I've never seen the point to storing my bookmarks on a web site - so that's a feature I never missed.
- silvestrov 18y ago
  GlimmerBlocker supports injecting javascript and css, and it supports transforming the html (search-and-replace using javascript) before the html hits the browser.

sc 18y ago

The built-in web developer is definitely on-par with Firebug and Web Developer. In some ways it's even nicer. As far as plug-ins go, Safari's had them for years. Apple just doesn't support them or advertise them.

jws 18y ago

Funny, the flash blocking plugin I use still works. http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master

dchest 18y ago
It works because it uses Safari's real plugin architecture, not input manager hacks.
- dchest 18y ago
  See http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:olonKuXb1G4J:developer.apple.com/DOCUMENTATION/InternetWeb/Conceptual/WebKit_PluginProgTopic/WebKit_PluginProgTopic.pdf+safari+plugin+architecture&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=safari#9 http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:olonKuXb1G4J:developer.a... "WebKit–Based Plug-ins" This is how ClickToFlash works.

unalone 18y ago

Unfortunately, apparently still no support for plug-ins? Safari has supported plugins since before I got my first Mac. I use Inquisitor for searching right now. Google SafariStand if you don't believe me. Mac users who want to block ads can get GlimmerBlocker, which blocks ads on every browser at once. If you want to customize Safari further, GreaseKit allows you to inject your own code into sites (it's Greasemonkey). Apple won't do anything further. In their mind a program should be designed with the right features in mind up front, and then everything else can be hacked for the people who really, really care. Most of the people who use Safari like that a lot. I do.

dchest 18y ago
These are input manager hacks, they are not real plugins.
- unalone 18y ago
  My point was that the big things I'd want a plugin for you can do. GlimmerBlocker is incredible. I don't want StumbleUpon. I don't want Snap Previews. I don't want del.icio.us or a music player plugin or whatever else plugins offer. I want a browser that lets me access the web as powerfully as possible. The only plugins I care about are the ones who make that more efficient.
  - maximilian 18y ago
    I want delicious syncing. I like that in firefox on my linux box.
    - unalone 18y ago
      I'm not a Delicious user - I've never seen the point to storing my bookmarks on a web site - so that's a feature I never missed.
silvestrov 18y ago
GlimmerBlocker supports injecting javascript and css, and it supports transforming the html (search-and-replace using javascript) before the html hits the browser.