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Knock it off. These sorts of responses are uncalled for. Please review the HN Guidelines.

by otterley 2mo ago

margalabargala 2mo ago
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- otterley 2mo ago
  “Be kind. Don’t be snarky.” is literally the first guideline in the “on comments” section.
  - margalabargala 2mo ago
    Right, and plenty of comments containing non-zero snark are fine. There's a line over which comments become unreasonable. If mine was over that line, so are a good 30% of HN comments. Seeing as those comments exist, I think your comment flagging criteria are what need to be adjusted here. Frankly I think you're just annoyed because the reaction to your comment was not "oh wow this guy could work for Jane Street if he wanted but he doesn't because he doesn't want to move cities. Wow so cool"
    - otterley 2mo ago
      The language is clear and unambiguous, and is intended to set a floor for the caliber and quality of discussion here. If 30% of comments here are equally bad, that means it’s not enforced as well as it could be. It doesn’t mean we’re intentionally lowering the standards. My intent when I made that statement was not how you interpreted it. Its people genuinely impress me. And besides, what if I could work for them? Wouldn’t you be happy for me? Why the sour grapes? As the Guidelines also state (paraphrasing): use the most charitable interpretation of a fellow member’s contributions.
      - margalabargala 2mo ago
        Well, you certainly didn't use the "most charitable interpretation" of my comment, now did you? Why not assume that I too am as competent as you see yourself and simply also don't want to move to Chicago where Jane Street definitely is? It's a weak person who hides behind rules they don't themselves follow. Lots of companies manage to impress lots of incompetent, arrogant people. Your initial comment sounded like such a person and mothing you've said since has done anything to disabuse the reader of that. "The rules say you're not supposed to reply with sarcasm! Flagging your comment!" says the person that Jane Street would totally love to hire. Like I said, you're just annoyed someone is criticizing your arrogance. If you weren't being arrogant, then my initial reply is utterly unobjectionable; it's only unkind or sarcastic in response to the arrogant interpretation of your initial comment, and is inert to the "best possible" interpretation by the rules you don't follow but want others to.
        otterley 2mo ago
        facepalm Way to double down on being a dick, dude.
        margalabargala 2mo ago
        Just trying to help you have some self awareness... Calling me a dick seems to violate the kindness rule you are about so much. Don't the guidelines say you should not comment and move on?
        otterley 2mo ago
        > Just trying to help you have some self awareness... Doctor, heal thyself.
        margalabargala 2mo ago
        Sir, one of us has repeatedly brought up the other's alleged violations of guidelines, while repeatedly violating them himself. You are an arrogant hypocrite. As a sometimes arrogant non-hypocrite who has that self awareness, I feel I am well positioned to help you notice yourself in the mirror.
0xbadcafebee 2mo ago
Not all sarcasm is insulting, my dude
- otterley 2mo ago
  “Be kind. Don’t be snarky.” is literally the first guideline in the “on comments” section.
  - 0xbadcafebee 2mo ago
    There is a significant difference between sarcasm meant to insult, and sarcasm meant to be playful humor with a point. Common uses of sarcasm include witty or playful language, humorous banter, the expression of frustration at unfortunate events, self-deprecation, and as a coping mechanism for difficult situations. I see that you couldn't tell the difference in that situation, but trust me, that person was not insulting you. They included themselves in the joke.
    - otterley 2mo ago
      The language is clear and unambiguous, and is intended to set a floor for the caliber and quality of discussion here. I take your point, but the humor, if it was that, was made clumsily and was not well received. It’s not just me who felt that way; it was downvoted and eventually killed.
      - 0xbadcafebee 2mo ago
        Is it though? Almost all the guidelines are curt and open to interpretation. For example, what counts as snarky? What counts as kind? Is there some hidden arbiter in between the characters I can't see? Not everyone will know exactly what these mean in every situation. In truth, the rules here are intentionally vague, so they can be used as a cudgel by people who don't like what they read. For the mods it's for behavioral control, and for the users it's for thought control. The mods want the website to be a financial tool for YC, and the users want all opinions to mirror their own. But HN is built awkwardly, and forces too many different kinds of users into one tiny space. So the mods do what they can to remove submissions and kill comments, to make the appearance of some kind of nerd chat gestalt. This thread is an example of that failed attempt at enforced harmony. You can't punish people into electing to behave the way you want, it just makes them angry.

Knock it off. These sorts of responses are uncalled for. Please review the HN Guidelines.

margalabargala 2mo ago

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otterley 2mo ago
“Be kind. Don’t be snarky.” is literally the first guideline in the “on comments” section.
- margalabargala 2mo ago
  Right, and plenty of comments containing non-zero snark are fine. There's a line over which comments become unreasonable. If mine was over that line, so are a good 30% of HN comments. Seeing as those comments exist, I think your comment flagging criteria are what need to be adjusted here. Frankly I think you're just annoyed because the reaction to your comment was not "oh wow this guy could work for Jane Street if he wanted but he doesn't because he doesn't want to move cities. Wow so cool"
  - otterley 2mo ago
    The language is clear and unambiguous, and is intended to set a floor for the caliber and quality of discussion here. If 30% of comments here are equally bad, that means it’s not enforced as well as it could be. It doesn’t mean we’re intentionally lowering the standards. My intent when I made that statement was not how you interpreted it. Its people genuinely impress me. And besides, what if I could work for them? Wouldn’t you be happy for me? Why the sour grapes? As the Guidelines also state (paraphrasing): use the most charitable interpretation of a fellow member’s contributions.
    - margalabargala 2mo ago
      Well, you certainly didn't use the "most charitable interpretation" of my comment, now did you? Why not assume that I too am as competent as you see yourself and simply also don't want to move to Chicago where Jane Street definitely is? It's a weak person who hides behind rules they don't themselves follow. Lots of companies manage to impress lots of incompetent, arrogant people. Your initial comment sounded like such a person and mothing you've said since has done anything to disabuse the reader of that. "The rules say you're not supposed to reply with sarcasm! Flagging your comment!" says the person that Jane Street would totally love to hire. Like I said, you're just annoyed someone is criticizing your arrogance. If you weren't being arrogant, then my initial reply is utterly unobjectionable; it's only unkind or sarcastic in response to the arrogant interpretation of your initial comment, and is inert to the "best possible" interpretation by the rules you don't follow but want others to.
      - otterley 2mo ago
        facepalm Way to double down on being a dick, dude.
        margalabargala 2mo ago
        Just trying to help you have some self awareness... Calling me a dick seems to violate the kindness rule you are about so much. Don't the guidelines say you should not comment and move on?
        otterley 2mo ago
        > Just trying to help you have some self awareness... Doctor, heal thyself.
        margalabargala 2mo ago
        Sir, one of us has repeatedly brought up the other's alleged violations of guidelines, while repeatedly violating them himself. You are an arrogant hypocrite. As a sometimes arrogant non-hypocrite who has that self awareness, I feel I am well positioned to help you notice yourself in the mirror.

0xbadcafebee 2mo ago

Not all sarcasm is insulting, my dude

otterley 2mo ago
“Be kind. Don’t be snarky.” is literally the first guideline in the “on comments” section.
- 0xbadcafebee 2mo ago
  There is a significant difference between sarcasm meant to insult, and sarcasm meant to be playful humor with a point. Common uses of sarcasm include witty or playful language, humorous banter, the expression of frustration at unfortunate events, self-deprecation, and as a coping mechanism for difficult situations. I see that you couldn't tell the difference in that situation, but trust me, that person was not insulting you. They included themselves in the joke.
  - otterley 2mo ago
    The language is clear and unambiguous, and is intended to set a floor for the caliber and quality of discussion here. I take your point, but the humor, if it was that, was made clumsily and was not well received. It’s not just me who felt that way; it was downvoted and eventually killed.
    - 0xbadcafebee 2mo ago
      Is it though? Almost all the guidelines are curt and open to interpretation. For example, what counts as snarky? What counts as kind? Is there some hidden arbiter in between the characters I can't see? Not everyone will know exactly what these mean in every situation. In truth, the rules here are intentionally vague, so they can be used as a cudgel by people who don't like what they read. For the mods it's for behavioral control, and for the users it's for thought control. The mods want the website to be a financial tool for YC, and the users want all opinions to mirror their own. But HN is built awkwardly, and forces too many different kinds of users into one tiny space. So the mods do what they can to remove submissions and kill comments, to make the appearance of some kind of nerd chat gestalt. This thread is an example of that failed attempt at enforced harmony. You can't punish people into electing to behave the way you want, it just makes them angry.