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Agreed, I can't understand where these experiences come from. I only ever use Firefox, at work, at home, mobile. Since forever, as long as there has been a Fir

by jjav 2mo ago

Agreed, I can't understand where these experiences come from. I only ever use Firefox, at work, at home, mobile. Since forever, as long as there has been a Firefox (and Mozilla before that, Netscape prior). There was one time about 8-10 years ago that I encountered a site that didn't work in Firefox, was some weird proprietary training module at work. So yes, I did encounter one site that didn't work in Firefox in the last ~20 years. One.

sensanaty 2mo ago
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if it was Google astroturfing every single thread relating to FF. Yes, Mozilla isn't perfect and had some questionable decisions, but we're somehow okay with the worse option out of the two? Somehow, Mozilla's decisions are enough to never use FF, but Google's infinitely many horrible ones are acceptable for.... What reason?
- Capricorn2481 2mo ago
  > Somehow, Mozilla's decisions are enough to never use FF, but Google's infinitely many horrible ones are acceptable for.... What reason? I think these people are real and predate AI. I think it comes down to a fundamental psychology in how the two browsers are marketed online. Firefox users would say "Firefox is better than Chrome." Chrome users would say "Chrome is good." Firefox is touted as a better browser on the principle of the freedom it gives its users, and paradoxically, that draws heavy scrutiny. I don't think I am doing a Goomba fallacy here. People that claim to care about privacy and browser freedom will express disgust with Mozilla then, in the same breath, say they are opting into Chrome out of spite, which is 100x worse.
  - jjav 2mo ago
    > say they are opting into Chrome out of spite, which is 100x worse. That is what is frustrating, indeed. Firefox is not perfect. Nothing is perfect. There have been changes in Firefox over the years that I don't like. (I'm still hurting from it moving the tabs to the top, so annoying.) In a scale of 1 (100% user-hostile) to 10 (absolutely perfect user-centered browser), Firefox only scores a, let's say, eight. But chrome scores a solid 2, so obviously I'm not going to use it, ever, no matter if Firefox makes the occasional mis-step.
    - picofarad 2mo ago
      I concur that it is strange seeing the FF/Mozilla vs chrome arguments. Its almost as if some large percentage of users here relied on web ads for their income. Weird!
      - Capricorn2481 2mo ago
        I would imagine a very small number of people on here rely on ads for income, but I could be wrong. That's just not the shape of company most devs work for.
        jjav 2mo ago
        > I would imagine a very small number of people on here rely on ads for income, but I could be wrong. That's just not the shape of company most devs work for. Who do you think most developers work for? Google, Facebook, two massive developer employers which are advertising companies. There is a reason the quote “The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads" is famous. Because so many developers are doing nothing but that, pushing advertising.

by jjav 2mo ago

sensanaty 2mo ago

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if it was Google astroturfing every single thread relating to FF. Yes, Mozilla isn't perfect and had some questionable decisions, but we're somehow okay with the worse option out of the two? Somehow, Mozilla's decisions are enough to never use FF, but Google's infinitely many horrible ones are acceptable for.... What reason?

Capricorn2481 2mo ago
> Somehow, Mozilla's decisions are enough to never use FF, but Google's infinitely many horrible ones are acceptable for.... What reason? I think these people are real and predate AI. I think it comes down to a fundamental psychology in how the two browsers are marketed online. Firefox users would say "Firefox is better than Chrome." Chrome users would say "Chrome is good." Firefox is touted as a better browser on the principle of the freedom it gives its users, and paradoxically, that draws heavy scrutiny. I don't think I am doing a Goomba fallacy here. People that claim to care about privacy and browser freedom will express disgust with Mozilla then, in the same breath, say they are opting into Chrome out of spite, which is 100x worse.
- jjav 2mo ago
  > say they are opting into Chrome out of spite, which is 100x worse. That is what is frustrating, indeed. Firefox is not perfect. Nothing is perfect. There have been changes in Firefox over the years that I don't like. (I'm still hurting from it moving the tabs to the top, so annoying.) In a scale of 1 (100% user-hostile) to 10 (absolutely perfect user-centered browser), Firefox only scores a, let's say, eight. But chrome scores a solid 2, so obviously I'm not going to use it, ever, no matter if Firefox makes the occasional mis-step.
  - picofarad 2mo ago
    I concur that it is strange seeing the FF/Mozilla vs chrome arguments. Its almost as if some large percentage of users here relied on web ads for their income. Weird!
    - Capricorn2481 2mo ago
      I would imagine a very small number of people on here rely on ads for income, but I could be wrong. That's just not the shape of company most devs work for.
      - jjav 2mo ago
        > I would imagine a very small number of people on here rely on ads for income, but I could be wrong. That's just not the shape of company most devs work for. Who do you think most developers work for? Google, Facebook, two massive developer employers which are advertising companies. There is a reason the quote “The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads" is famous. Because so many developers are doing nothing but that, pushing advertising.