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Because Peter Thiel gave them some money, there's some secret backdoor code that's sending all your information to Palantir?

rwz 3mo ago
It's quite likely that Brave itself collects data on your usage and shares at least some of it with Palantir. This isn't such an outrageous assumption to make here.
- shooly 3mo ago
  Firefox also collects and sells data to no one really knows who. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#diff-efc9fde0375fb98aa4918364737cb420fe33c44a52465ed89deb02db8cfe6c0a https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
  - rwz 3mo ago
    I mean sure, but there's a bit of a difference between "sells data to no one really knows who" and "sells data to no one really knows who AND PALANTIR" which the original commenter seem to be flagging as a problem.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      "no one really knows who" is probably also Palantir or someone who resells to Palantir.
      - AstralSerenity 3mo ago
        From what I know personally, Firefox truly is responsible with user data. Though -- to steel man your point -- all the data Firefox sells is through their subsidiary Anonym, which goes through great lengths to anonymize all user data that can't be tied to any individual. Example: selling market preferences of a town rather than the individual people in it.
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    - shooly 3mo ago
      Well Thiel investing in Brave once at the beginning doesn't necessarily mean that Palantir is getting any data now (even though it's presented as if it was a fact in other comments here). It's probable, but really it's just speculation, just like anyone can speculate about who's getting data from Firefox. But at least with Brave, the initial funding information was made public, so there's already more information available to users in comparison with Mozilla. Mozilla just said: "there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners" - that could mean literally anyone.
- tredre3 3mo ago
  Telemetry can be disabled in Brave. Any kind of history/bookmark syncing is opt-in. You're just spreading FUD unless you have evidence that Brave funnels usage data in secret.
- EbNar 3mo ago
  There's no need to make assumptions. The source code is out there. Please, show us the relevant commits which do what you said.
downrightmike 3mo ago
That is their MO
AstralSerenity 3mo ago
Sometimes you make decisions based on principle and future risk. Brave Software is a for-profit company that funded its start through Peter Thiel. Even if fine in the present, you cannot guarantee me the future of a Thiel-funded, VC-owned firm. Mozilla, in comparison, is a mature, non-profit with substantial goodwill and operational transparency. Everything past these details are just noise.
- niutech 2mo ago
  Mozilla has also a for-profit corporation.
  - AstralSerenity 2mo ago
    No, Mozilla is a non-profit -- you may just misunderstand charitable structure optimization. It has a for-profit public-benefit subsidiary called Mozilla Corporation (Firefox). This is common in non-profits for a number of reasons: protects the foundations assets, allows for engaging in commercial operations (Mozilla VPN, Anonym), greater flexibility, etc. It is not a true for-profit company. All "profit" flows up to the non-profit and the non-profit parent retains complete, absolute control while being tied to the Mozilla mission.

rwz 3mo ago

It's quite likely that Brave itself collects data on your usage and shares at least some of it with Palantir. This isn't such an outrageous assumption to make here.

shooly 3mo ago
Firefox also collects and sells data to no one really knows who. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#diff-efc9fde0375fb98aa4918364737cb420fe33c44a52465ed89deb02db8cfe6c0a https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
- rwz 3mo ago
  I mean sure, but there's a bit of a difference between "sells data to no one really knows who" and "sells data to no one really knows who AND PALANTIR" which the original commenter seem to be flagging as a problem.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    "no one really knows who" is probably also Palantir or someone who resells to Palantir.
    - AstralSerenity 3mo ago
      From what I know personally, Firefox truly is responsible with user data. Though -- to steel man your point -- all the data Firefox sells is through their subsidiary Anonym, which goes through great lengths to anonymize all user data that can't be tied to any individual. Example: selling market preferences of a town rather than the individual people in it.
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  - shooly 3mo ago
    Well Thiel investing in Brave once at the beginning doesn't necessarily mean that Palantir is getting any data now (even though it's presented as if it was a fact in other comments here). It's probable, but really it's just speculation, just like anyone can speculate about who's getting data from Firefox. But at least with Brave, the initial funding information was made public, so there's already more information available to users in comparison with Mozilla. Mozilla just said: "there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners" - that could mean literally anyone.
tredre3 3mo ago
Telemetry can be disabled in Brave. Any kind of history/bookmark syncing is opt-in. You're just spreading FUD unless you have evidence that Brave funnels usage data in secret.
EbNar 3mo ago
There's no need to make assumptions. The source code is out there. Please, show us the relevant commits which do what you said.

downrightmike 3mo ago

That is their MO

AstralSerenity 3mo ago

Sometimes you make decisions based on principle and future risk. Brave Software is a for-profit company that funded its start through Peter Thiel. Even if fine in the present, you cannot guarantee me the future of a Thiel-funded, VC-owned firm. Mozilla, in comparison, is a mature, non-profit with substantial goodwill and operational transparency. Everything past these details are just noise.

niutech 2mo ago
Mozilla has also a for-profit corporation.
- AstralSerenity 2mo ago
  No, Mozilla is a non-profit -- you may just misunderstand charitable structure optimization. It has a for-profit public-benefit subsidiary called Mozilla Corporation (Firefox). This is common in non-profits for a number of reasons: protects the foundations assets, allows for engaging in commercial operations (Mozilla VPN, Anonym), greater flexibility, etc. It is not a true for-profit company. All "profit" flows up to the non-profit and the non-profit parent retains complete, absolute control while being tied to the Mozilla mission.