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> Garg acknowledges he’s “hard-nosed” and the famous Zoom layoffs severely damaged the company’s reputation — a mistake he knows will continue to haunt him. I

by catgary 2mo ago

> Garg acknowledges he’s “hard-nosed” and the famous Zoom layoffs severely damaged the company’s reputation — a mistake he knows will continue to haunt him. I really hope Garg is here reading this. It’s not just a mistake that will continue to haunt him, it’s all he’s ever going to be. It’s how he was introduced in this headline. It’s how he’ll be referred to when he starts his next venture. If newspapers publish his obituary someday, it’ll be in the first few sentences explaining why anyone knows his name.

happytoexplain 2mo ago
This is the closest thing to hope we have sometimes. Well said.
wseqyrku 2mo ago
Wondering why he's taking the heat out of literally everyone else, it's not like layoffs were rare to begin with and that this is the last poor bastard we will ever know to be responsible.
- happytoexplain 2mo ago
  He's not. This is one article.
  - wseqyrku 2mo ago
    I'm asking because here everyone seems to be making a big deal out of this particular case. But it's hardly anything new. If you wanna make a comment on the person responsible or turn of events that leads here you gotta zoom out a little. It's the whole goddam system that allows this.
    - customguy 2mo ago
      Is someone remembered only for being shitty "new"? > It's the whole goddam system that allows this. It allows me and others the same things and yet we don't do them. This idea that you have to talk about everything at once first is just absolving individual doers of specific deeds, not to mention the idea that anyone would have stolen from a blind beggar, we need to heal blindness first etc. It sounds more cultured when you talk about "incentives" and even "incentive structures", but sometimes it really isn't more than "why was she wearing a short skirt in the bad part of town?"
      - wseqyrku 2mo ago
        I'm surprised, is all. Mass layoffs are going on for a couple years. I couldn't figure out why it is only making noise now? It's possible I wasn't paying attention before. I only heard from people who were laid off themselves and were pissed off, all the while everyone else were acting like it's how things are done, get over it. I think I expected a harder backlash than any of this, it does work surprisingly well with large companies. That must cause them to avoid overhiring or risk their entire reputation if they dare to consider mass layoffs, not a readily available option that they can play whenever they want.
        customguy 2mo ago
        Then more power to you! It's interesting that what I read as "downplaying it" was just your genuine frustration based on actually caring, I assumed too much. And you're right, and of course scapegoating a guy isn't the solution, or a really great way forward. At first I wanted to add "it can't hurt", but it actually can, when it's really just projecting all the frustration that should be aimed at making bigger changes at the person we happen to know by name. But it's of course hard to tell when that is the case, when the anger at an individual case takes away from the other, I mean. I don't think it can be generally assumed, maybe by really hating the guts of this particular person, a few people end up getting introduced to (more of) politics and economics in that otherwise wouldn't have? Different people have different learning styles ^^
        wseqyrku 2mo ago
        I noticed that the framing you subconsciously leave out because it's clear as day in your own mind (eg mass layoffs are freaking insane) will change the entire message you are trying to communicate and you won't be able to get it across without taking some (potentially) undeserved punches, but punches nonetheless. Doesn't always work because you can never fully anticipate what either side is assuming to begin with.
        evanelias 2mo ago
        > Mass layoffs are going on for a couple years. I couldn't figure out why it is only making noise now? This specific infamous mass-layoff-via-Zoom happened back in December 2021, and a lot of noise was made about it at the time. For reference, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29460985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29460985 (453 comments) discusses the initial layoff, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29515050 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29515050 (97 comments) discusses the CEO temporarily stepping back.

by catgary 2mo ago

happytoexplain 2mo ago

This is the closest thing to hope we have sometimes. Well said.

wseqyrku 2mo ago

Wondering why he's taking the heat out of literally everyone else, it's not like layoffs were rare to begin with and that this is the last poor bastard we will ever know to be responsible.

happytoexplain 2mo ago
He's not. This is one article.
- wseqyrku 2mo ago
  I'm asking because here everyone seems to be making a big deal out of this particular case. But it's hardly anything new. If you wanna make a comment on the person responsible or turn of events that leads here you gotta zoom out a little. It's the whole goddam system that allows this.
  - customguy 2mo ago
    Is someone remembered only for being shitty "new"? > It's the whole goddam system that allows this. It allows me and others the same things and yet we don't do them. This idea that you have to talk about everything at once first is just absolving individual doers of specific deeds, not to mention the idea that anyone would have stolen from a blind beggar, we need to heal blindness first etc. It sounds more cultured when you talk about "incentives" and even "incentive structures", but sometimes it really isn't more than "why was she wearing a short skirt in the bad part of town?"
    - wseqyrku 2mo ago
      I'm surprised, is all. Mass layoffs are going on for a couple years. I couldn't figure out why it is only making noise now? It's possible I wasn't paying attention before. I only heard from people who were laid off themselves and were pissed off, all the while everyone else were acting like it's how things are done, get over it. I think I expected a harder backlash than any of this, it does work surprisingly well with large companies. That must cause them to avoid overhiring or risk their entire reputation if they dare to consider mass layoffs, not a readily available option that they can play whenever they want.
      - customguy 2mo ago
        Then more power to you! It's interesting that what I read as "downplaying it" was just your genuine frustration based on actually caring, I assumed too much. And you're right, and of course scapegoating a guy isn't the solution, or a really great way forward. At first I wanted to add "it can't hurt", but it actually can, when it's really just projecting all the frustration that should be aimed at making bigger changes at the person we happen to know by name. But it's of course hard to tell when that is the case, when the anger at an individual case takes away from the other, I mean. I don't think it can be generally assumed, maybe by really hating the guts of this particular person, a few people end up getting introduced to (more of) politics and economics in that otherwise wouldn't have? Different people have different learning styles ^^
        wseqyrku 2mo ago
        I noticed that the framing you subconsciously leave out because it's clear as day in your own mind (eg mass layoffs are freaking insane) will change the entire message you are trying to communicate and you won't be able to get it across without taking some (potentially) undeserved punches, but punches nonetheless. Doesn't always work because you can never fully anticipate what either side is assuming to begin with.
      - evanelias 2mo ago
        > Mass layoffs are going on for a couple years. I couldn't figure out why it is only making noise now? This specific infamous mass-layoff-via-Zoom happened back in December 2021, and a lot of noise was made about it at the time. For reference, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29460985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29460985 (453 comments) discusses the initial layoff, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29515050 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29515050 (97 comments) discusses the CEO temporarily stepping back.