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> Advertising should.be illegal. I dislike advertising as much as the next guy but wouldn't go so far as making it illegal

xtracto 2mo ago
I was thinking of this post that made the rounds here some weeks ago: https://simone.org/advertising/ https://simone.org/advertising/
- dieselgate 2mo ago
  Thank you for the follow up link, it brings up good points. I think the 1st Amendment angle is too quickly brushed off by the author and not sure how this would be settled in a legal dispute--especially considering the means and depth of advertising and tech companies. The article is worth reading and great food for thought. Isn't this a part of legally excluding under-18s from using social media?
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    If giving out anti-draft pamphlets is considered by the courts to be equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theatre then why couldn't advertising?
    - shimman 2mo ago
      Seriously. I did not consent to these companies to be manipulated into giving them money. It's an invasion of the public sphere, and worse it is highly authoritarian which should always be resisted on principle.
moritzwarhier 2mo ago
(edit; not directly responding only to your comment, also to the parent) Advertising is shitty but how would you realistically even make it illegal without violating free speech. Also, advertising does have a good-faith purpose in functioning markets. Failures in regulation IMO are mostly at entirely different levels. E.g. monetization of public utilities and public space. Noise, brightness, and of course deceptive tactics could all be better regulated as well. But advertising, including its diffusion into general pop culture and entertainment, is older than the printing press, and I think for a broad sense of "advertising", even a lot older.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Plenty of countries don't have unlimited free speech. The USA, even, isn't one of the countries with the freest speech.
  - moritzwarhier 2mo ago
    Sure, but which countries ban all advertising? Is a logo advertising? Or only advertising in media? Urban spaces? Sure I'd say, but what about your storefront? Encouraging word of mouth?
- account42 2mo ago
  Corporations are not natural persons and do not have constitutionally guaranteed free speech rights that can be violated. Any individual shilling for a corporation can be held personally liable for damages. And we already don't allow everything that is technically speech. Harassing people is already illegal, unless you're a corporation. Taking advantage of the vulnerable is already generally illegal, unless you're a corporation.

xtracto 2mo ago

I was thinking of this post that made the rounds here some weeks ago: https://simone.org/advertising/ https://simone.org/advertising/

dieselgate 2mo ago
Thank you for the follow up link, it brings up good points. I think the 1st Amendment angle is too quickly brushed off by the author and not sure how this would be settled in a legal dispute--especially considering the means and depth of advertising and tech companies. The article is worth reading and great food for thought. Isn't this a part of legally excluding under-18s from using social media?
- inigyou 2mo ago
  If giving out anti-draft pamphlets is considered by the courts to be equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theatre then why couldn't advertising?
  - shimman 2mo ago
    Seriously. I did not consent to these companies to be manipulated into giving them money. It's an invasion of the public sphere, and worse it is highly authoritarian which should always be resisted on principle.

moritzwarhier 2mo ago

(edit; not directly responding only to your comment, also to the parent) Advertising is shitty but how would you realistically even make it illegal without violating free speech. Also, advertising does have a good-faith purpose in functioning markets. Failures in regulation IMO are mostly at entirely different levels. E.g. monetization of public utilities and public space. Noise, brightness, and of course deceptive tactics could all be better regulated as well. But advertising, including its diffusion into general pop culture and entertainment, is older than the printing press, and I think for a broad sense of "advertising", even a lot older.

inigyou 2mo ago
Plenty of countries don't have unlimited free speech. The USA, even, isn't one of the countries with the freest speech.
- moritzwarhier 2mo ago
  Sure, but which countries ban all advertising? Is a logo advertising? Or only advertising in media? Urban spaces? Sure I'd say, but what about your storefront? Encouraging word of mouth?
account42 2mo ago
Corporations are not natural persons and do not have constitutionally guaranteed free speech rights that can be violated. Any individual shilling for a corporation can be held personally liable for damages. And we already don't allow everything that is technically speech. Harassing people is already illegal, unless you're a corporation. Taking advantage of the vulnerable is already generally illegal, unless you're a corporation.