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Also selection effects. There have been some great leaders in business with a clear moral code. We lost Tony Hsieh way too young. But by and large those at the

Also selection effects. There have been some great leaders in business with a clear moral code. We lost Tony Hsieh way too young. But by and large those at the top got there for a reason.

cyanydeez 2mo ago
yes, and to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things and believe more and more than you deserve all this.
- JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
  > to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things Need is too strong, especially if it’s just for becoming a billionaire. One can absolutely amble into that situation. Where I tend to agree is if you choose to keep those billions versus transitioning to charity.
  - cyanydeez 2mo ago
    the "need" is POV the person gaining the money.
  - lovich 2mo ago
    Come on man. No one is ambling into being a billionaire. There’s a little under 1000 billionaires in the US and the population is estimated at over 349 million. Rounding the billionaires up and the population down to those round numbers and it’s 0.000286532951% of the population getting resources that millions of others are trying to take.
    - happytoexplain 2mo ago
      Why are you referring to rarity? "Ambling" refers to (RELATIVE) luck, not commonness.
      - lovich 2mo ago
        Ambling refers to walking into a situation casually. If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down in the US because there’s no way to casually come into that much money in the presence of competition.
        JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
        > If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down Yes. I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small.
        lovich 2mo ago
        > I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small. Can you name an engineer who was at a startup acquired for billions who themselves became a billionaire, and was not one of the founders? Because there is a, to me, large gap between someone ambling into being a billionaire vs being an employee at a company acquired for billions. And there’s an equally large gap between claiming someone is just an engineer vs one of the founders with controlling interests who are making the decisions for the company.
        adastra22 2mo ago
        Dustin Moskovitz, Tom Mueller. You are right that these are incredibly rare, and pushing the boundary between founder and first employee.
        lovich 2mo ago
        Moskovitz was literally a cofounder, that’s not pushing the boundary, it’s comfortably past it. I’ll give you Tom Mueller

Also selection effects. There have been some great leaders in business with a clear moral code. We lost Tony Hsieh way too young. But by and large those at the top got there for a reason.

cyanydeez 2mo ago

yes, and to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things and believe more and more than you deserve all this.

JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
> to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things Need is too strong, especially if it’s just for becoming a billionaire. One can absolutely amble into that situation. Where I tend to agree is if you choose to keep those billions versus transitioning to charity.
- cyanydeez 2mo ago
  the "need" is POV the person gaining the money.
- lovich 2mo ago
  Come on man. No one is ambling into being a billionaire. There’s a little under 1000 billionaires in the US and the population is estimated at over 349 million. Rounding the billionaires up and the population down to those round numbers and it’s 0.000286532951% of the population getting resources that millions of others are trying to take.
  - happytoexplain 2mo ago
    Why are you referring to rarity? "Ambling" refers to (RELATIVE) luck, not commonness.
    - lovich 2mo ago
      Ambling refers to walking into a situation casually. If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down in the US because there’s no way to casually come into that much money in the presence of competition.
      - JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
        > If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down Yes. I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small.
        lovich 2mo ago
        > I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small. Can you name an engineer who was at a startup acquired for billions who themselves became a billionaire, and was not one of the founders? Because there is a, to me, large gap between someone ambling into being a billionaire vs being an employee at a company acquired for billions. And there’s an equally large gap between claiming someone is just an engineer vs one of the founders with controlling interests who are making the decisions for the company.
        adastra22 2mo ago
        Dustin Moskovitz, Tom Mueller. You are right that these are incredibly rare, and pushing the boundary between founder and first employee.
        lovich 2mo ago
        Moskovitz was literally a cofounder, that’s not pushing the boundary, it’s comfortably past it. I’ll give you Tom Mueller