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Which seems massively worse than a real local device in fact 2x is probably untenable to the point of uselessness because actually privacy sensitive matters nee

Which seems massively worse than a real local device in fact 2x is probably untenable to the point of uselessness because actually privacy sensitive matters need actual privacy that can't be defeated by your government telling Google to serve you compromised js and spy on you anyway and most people don't give 2 shits about privacy so they won't pay 10% more let alone 2x. I'm glad people fund things that are only of interest to nerds but this will never be useful.

u1hcw9nx 2mo ago
I think you have completely wrong use cases in mind. You will not use this for normal compute workloads. Typical use cases are for doing biometric authentication without giving your biometric information, or sensitive queries using medical information. Apple has homomorphic encryption in image search. You can use your own photos encrypted into the cloud to search for landmarks in the image without revealing photos. People can also coordinate and compare information without sharing sensitive data.
- jgerrish 2mo ago
  But for some fields, almost EVERYTHING they touch is sensitive. I've been reviewing PPML for wildlife management purposes, which my brother is involved in and my other brother, a ML expert, may want to be involved in. With wildlife management, you're dealing with health issues, like rabies outbreaks. That requires privacy. You want to preserve customer confidentially because it's often embarassing. And private property cameras and sensors can leak information about private citizens or kids in a neighborhood without appropriate social and technical protections. There are hundreds of fields like this. Not just healthcare and policing. We are likely to see a lot of the hardware required for this to move out into space data centers for batch jobs at least. And along with that calls for reduced RF and light pollution like StarLink. And that is going to be helped by a large number of angry liberal citizens who are being riled up about data centers. And that anti-tech rhetoric is already leading to violent responses and debate. Which hurts the liberal cause for universal healthcare. Conservatives see angry liberal anti-tech actions and tarnish calls for healthcare reform and other liberal causes. The people who are going to benefit the most from cheaper PPML in orbiting data centers are in many ways making it harder for the rest of us. It's not a small issue, and I wish I had had the reputation to reduce the anger. It seems unrelated to PPML. But PPML is a clever political gas pedal to get space control.
- lupire 2mo ago
  Is that (LLM) AI, though?
- cryptographical 2mo ago
  Yeah, for simple calculations on medical data or whatnot, FHE is a highly useful tool. I do wonder, will indistinguishability obfuscation or witness encryption ever be a viable scheme?

u1hcw9nx 2mo ago

I think you have completely wrong use cases in mind. You will not use this for normal compute workloads. Typical use cases are for doing biometric authentication without giving your biometric information, or sensitive queries using medical information. Apple has homomorphic encryption in image search. You can use your own photos encrypted into the cloud to search for landmarks in the image without revealing photos. People can also coordinate and compare information without sharing sensitive data.

jgerrish 2mo ago
But for some fields, almost EVERYTHING they touch is sensitive. I've been reviewing PPML for wildlife management purposes, which my brother is involved in and my other brother, a ML expert, may want to be involved in. With wildlife management, you're dealing with health issues, like rabies outbreaks. That requires privacy. You want to preserve customer confidentially because it's often embarassing. And private property cameras and sensors can leak information about private citizens or kids in a neighborhood without appropriate social and technical protections. There are hundreds of fields like this. Not just healthcare and policing. We are likely to see a lot of the hardware required for this to move out into space data centers for batch jobs at least. And along with that calls for reduced RF and light pollution like StarLink. And that is going to be helped by a large number of angry liberal citizens who are being riled up about data centers. And that anti-tech rhetoric is already leading to violent responses and debate. Which hurts the liberal cause for universal healthcare. Conservatives see angry liberal anti-tech actions and tarnish calls for healthcare reform and other liberal causes. The people who are going to benefit the most from cheaper PPML in orbiting data centers are in many ways making it harder for the rest of us. It's not a small issue, and I wish I had had the reputation to reduce the anger. It seems unrelated to PPML. But PPML is a clever political gas pedal to get space control.
lupire 2mo ago
Is that (LLM) AI, though?
cryptographical 2mo ago
Yeah, for simple calculations on medical data or whatnot, FHE is a highly useful tool. I do wonder, will indistinguishability obfuscation or witness encryption ever be a viable scheme?