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You read this from the outside and ask yourself, "how does this guy sleep at night?". He sleeps fine, of course, justifying his own actions/behaviors without th

You read this from the outside and ask yourself, "how does this guy sleep at night?". He sleeps fine, of course, justifying his own actions/behaviors without thinking of others. Luigi Mangione spent months trying to contact someone at United Healthcare to no avail. Only when he pretended to be an investor managing a large number of assets did he hear a response.

adastra22 2mo ago
> how does this guy sleep at night? On a big pile of money, surrounded by beautiful women.
- cyanydeez 2mo ago
  So people really underestimate (because of, the implication) the power of money to rewire the brand to excuse larger and larger immoral and unethical behaviors and to permanently not understand how the rest of the reality is being bent to the money bubble illusion.
  - adastra22 2mo ago
    Also selection effects. There have been some great leaders in business with a clear moral code. We lost Tony Hsieh way too young. But by and large those at the top got there for a reason.
    - cyanydeez 2mo ago
      yes, and to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things and believe more and more than you deserve all this.
      - JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
        > to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things Need is too strong, especially if it’s just for becoming a billionaire. One can absolutely amble into that situation. Where I tend to agree is if you choose to keep those billions versus transitioning to charity.
        cyanydeez 2mo ago
        the "need" is POV the person gaining the money.
        lovich 2mo ago
        Come on man. No one is ambling into being a billionaire. There’s a little under 1000 billionaires in the US and the population is estimated at over 349 million. Rounding the billionaires up and the population down to those round numbers and it’s 0.000286532951% of the population getting resources that millions of others are trying to take.
        happytoexplain 2mo ago
        Why are you referring to rarity? "Ambling" refers to (RELATIVE) luck, not commonness.
        lovich 2mo ago
        Ambling refers to walking into a situation casually. If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down in the US because there’s no way to casually come into that much money in the presence of competition.
        JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
        > If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down Yes. I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small.
        lovich 2mo ago
        > I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small. Can you name an engineer who was at a startup acquired for billions who themselves became a billionaire, and was not one of the founders? Because there is a, to me, large gap between someone ambling into being a billionaire vs being an employee at a company acquired for billions. And there’s an equally large gap between claiming someone is just an engineer vs one of the founders with controlling interests who are making the decisions for the company.
coredog64 2mo ago
Luigi was never a UHC customer per the news story today on his guilty plea.
Aurornis 2mo ago
> Luigi Mangione spent months trying to contact someone at United Healthcare to no avail. Only when he pretended to be an investor managing a large number of assets did he hear a response. Luigi Mangione was not a United Healthcare customer. This seems like an incredibly important detail that keeps being left out of this tidbit as it circulates social media. You’re trying to imply that he had some grievance with his insurance with the company, but he was not insured by them. He was trying to get in contact with anyone so he could murder someone high profile. He called the investor relations line as a way to social engineer that.
- happytoexplain 2mo ago
  Why is it incredibly important? You said that, but didn't continue. Must grievances be only with employers/patrons to be valid?
  - Aurornis 2mo ago
    > Why is it "incredibly important"? You said that, but didn't continue. I explained it in the following sentence: Leaving it out is an underhanded way of implying that he was trying to get ahold of someone about his own medical conditions, which has been the narrative across social media. > Must grievances be only with employers/patrons to be valid? A company doesn’t have to field phone calls from non customers who are angry at their industry. If you’re trying to suggest that companies have an obligation to field complaints from angry non-customers, using an example where someone went on to murder an employee of that company isn't making a compelling case.
derektank 2mo ago
Well, that is one thing Vishal has going for him, he’s not a murderer. I hope he sleeps a lot better at night than Mangione does.

adastra22 2mo ago

> how does this guy sleep at night? On a big pile of money, surrounded by beautiful women.

cyanydeez 2mo ago
So people really underestimate (because of, the implication) the power of money to rewire the brand to excuse larger and larger immoral and unethical behaviors and to permanently not understand how the rest of the reality is being bent to the money bubble illusion.
- adastra22 2mo ago
  Also selection effects. There have been some great leaders in business with a clear moral code. We lost Tony Hsieh way too young. But by and large those at the top got there for a reason.
  - cyanydeez 2mo ago
    yes, and to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things and believe more and more than you deserve all this.
    - JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
      > to get into the billions of dollars of net worth, you need to both ignore more and more problematic things Need is too strong, especially if it’s just for becoming a billionaire. One can absolutely amble into that situation. Where I tend to agree is if you choose to keep those billions versus transitioning to charity.
      - cyanydeez 2mo ago
        the "need" is POV the person gaining the money.
      - lovich 2mo ago
        Come on man. No one is ambling into being a billionaire. There’s a little under 1000 billionaires in the US and the population is estimated at over 349 million. Rounding the billionaires up and the population down to those round numbers and it’s 0.000286532951% of the population getting resources that millions of others are trying to take.
        happytoexplain 2mo ago
        Why are you referring to rarity? "Ambling" refers to (RELATIVE) luck, not commonness.
        lovich 2mo ago
        Ambling refers to walking into a situation casually. If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down in the US because there’s no way to casually come into that much money in the presence of competition.
        JumpCrisscross 2mo ago
        > If you think you can amble into being a billionaire in our environment then you’re conceding that capitalism as a system has broken down Yes. I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small.
        lovich 2mo ago
        > I think you can be a good person and an early engineer at a start-up that gets acquired for billions when the team is still small. Can you name an engineer who was at a startup acquired for billions who themselves became a billionaire, and was not one of the founders? Because there is a, to me, large gap between someone ambling into being a billionaire vs being an employee at a company acquired for billions. And there’s an equally large gap between claiming someone is just an engineer vs one of the founders with controlling interests who are making the decisions for the company.

coredog64 2mo ago

Luigi was never a UHC customer per the news story today on his guilty plea.

Aurornis 2mo ago

> Luigi Mangione spent months trying to contact someone at United Healthcare to no avail. Only when he pretended to be an investor managing a large number of assets did he hear a response. Luigi Mangione was not a United Healthcare customer. This seems like an incredibly important detail that keeps being left out of this tidbit as it circulates social media. You’re trying to imply that he had some grievance with his insurance with the company, but he was not insured by them. He was trying to get in contact with anyone so he could murder someone high profile. He called the investor relations line as a way to social engineer that.

happytoexplain 2mo ago
Why is it incredibly important? You said that, but didn't continue. Must grievances be only with employers/patrons to be valid?
- Aurornis 2mo ago
  > Why is it "incredibly important"? You said that, but didn't continue. I explained it in the following sentence: Leaving it out is an underhanded way of implying that he was trying to get ahold of someone about his own medical conditions, which has been the narrative across social media. > Must grievances be only with employers/patrons to be valid? A company doesn’t have to field phone calls from non customers who are angry at their industry. If you’re trying to suggest that companies have an obligation to field complaints from angry non-customers, using an example where someone went on to murder an employee of that company isn't making a compelling case.

derektank 2mo ago

Well, that is one thing Vishal has going for him, he’s not a murderer. I hope he sleeps a lot better at night than Mangione does.