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You should check out Grok, it's quite a good deal from the Cursor subscription side but it's cheap even by API prices.

by satvikpendem 2mo ago

ai_fry_ur_brain 2mo ago
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altruios 2mo ago
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- satvikpendem 2mo ago
  Yeah I'm sure everyone on r/cursor or in previous HN threads about Grok 4.5 or 4.6 are all unserious and insane. No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well. Edit, quite interesting to see the reception to this comment compared to essentially the same type of comment I made on a Grok 4.6 benchmark HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385#49275571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385#49275571 It's true that Cursor gives a lot of usage with Grok, most users of Cursor don't care about Musk.
  - kennywinker 2mo ago
    This is the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” of ai hot takes. (Btw, mussolini didn’t make the trains run on time)
    - tills13 2mo ago
      "Sure I'm indirectly funding the erosion of basic human rights in the States, but at least I made my Hello World app cheaper!"
    - albedoa 2mo ago
      Also: "What do you mean everybody at this party is a Nazi? They seem uninterested in politics, and they have been so welcoming to me!"
  - oezi 2mo ago
    I would say it is sad that there are people who use Grok when there are so many other choices available which don't come with the issues of supporting Musk. It is not all just 'politics'. Take a stand on some issues. It doesn't cost much not to use Grok.
  - altruios 2mo ago
    There are a lot of people who are apathetic to what musk is, people that don't care are not people who should inspire you. What the hell is so inspiring about apathy anyway?! And yeah, people that don't care DO make the world worse through their apathy.
  - jLaForest 2mo ago
    i care about not financially supporting a person that is actively trying to disenfranchise me, why is that a difficult concept for some people? that not everyone is motivated exclusively by financial profit? is moral bankruptcy so pervasive that some people assume it is unanimous?
    - altruios 2mo ago
      'They' - in this case - are those who are unable to empathize. People who only learn of other's struggles through visceral personal experience. Conservatives, in general, struggle with this class reasoning... Very much a 'if I don't experience it then it doesn't exist' kind of mentality. Frustrating and exhausting. A lack of imagination, a lack of empathy, they just are lacking in these regards.
      - rootusrootus 2mo ago
        Your comments are all in absolutes. As if this was the one thing that mattered to you, everything else is irrelevant. Don't most people make their decisions based on a balance of considerations? Dismissing half the world as nazi or fascist does not seem productive, it kinda makes you look like the insane one.
  - cleaning 2mo ago
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  - freshnode 2mo ago
    Voting with your wallet is still very much a valid way to protest that odious man. Some people might not mind (or even know), but I sleep better at night trying to work as ethically as I can.
  - pauletienney 2mo ago
    "No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well." > I totally care about politics, especially when it comes to not giving my money to people like musk.
  - sixothree 2mo ago
    > No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well. I do. There are enough models to choose from that I don't need to use one from a guy who did a nazi salute at the presidential podium, and proceeded to rid our government of brown people he felt didn't deserve their job.
gpm 2mo ago
I think it's very clear that someone who has checked out all the models but the one that called itself mechahitler and is explicitly being fine tuned to support far-right politics is making the choice for reasons other than performance and cost. It's not like all the other models even had plausible claims to those metrics.
- satvikpendem 2mo ago
  As I said to a dead reply, for coding all of that is immaterial, as long as it codes well then that's all that matters to most people, except it seems those who have an idelogical issue in which case the other model companies also have issues.
  - gpm 2mo ago
    No, coding does not make ethical issues immaterial. Nor does it justify your behavior of harassing someone to do something that they've clearly decided not to do for ethical reasons on the basis of criteria that they have clearly rejected.
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      "Harassing" lol by telling them to try a model, alright. Anyway I didn't know they didn't want to use it for ideological reasons, they didn't say anything about that. Now that I know there's nothing more to be said.
  - InsideOutSanta 2mo ago
    I don't care how good Grok is, it will be a cold day in hell when I give a guy who goes to AfD rallies, instrumentally supported the current Ebola outbreak, and gives the Hitler salute on stage (don't try to tell me he did not, I saw the video) any money I'm not absolutely forced to. And yes, OpenAI and Anthropic are highly questionable, too, and so I've ended my OpenAI subscription and I'm moving from Claude to other providers. But even people who do not do that are absolutely justified in drawing a line at supporting Musk, because there's a difference between mere normal shittiess and Musk.

You should check out Grok, it's quite a good deal from the Cursor subscription side but it's cheap even by API prices.

ai_fry_ur_brain 2mo ago

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altruios 2mo ago

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satvikpendem 2mo ago
Yeah I'm sure everyone on r/cursor or in previous HN threads about Grok 4.5 or 4.6 are all unserious and insane. No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well. Edit, quite interesting to see the reception to this comment compared to essentially the same type of comment I made on a Grok 4.6 benchmark HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385#49275571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385#49275571 It's true that Cursor gives a lot of usage with Grok, most users of Cursor don't care about Musk.
- kennywinker 2mo ago
  This is the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” of ai hot takes. (Btw, mussolini didn’t make the trains run on time)
  - tills13 2mo ago
    "Sure I'm indirectly funding the erosion of basic human rights in the States, but at least I made my Hello World app cheaper!"
  - albedoa 2mo ago
    Also: "What do you mean everybody at this party is a Nazi? They seem uninterested in politics, and they have been so welcoming to me!"
- oezi 2mo ago
  I would say it is sad that there are people who use Grok when there are so many other choices available which don't come with the issues of supporting Musk. It is not all just 'politics'. Take a stand on some issues. It doesn't cost much not to use Grok.
- altruios 2mo ago
  There are a lot of people who are apathetic to what musk is, people that don't care are not people who should inspire you. What the hell is so inspiring about apathy anyway?! And yeah, people that don't care DO make the world worse through their apathy.
- jLaForest 2mo ago
  i care about not financially supporting a person that is actively trying to disenfranchise me, why is that a difficult concept for some people? that not everyone is motivated exclusively by financial profit? is moral bankruptcy so pervasive that some people assume it is unanimous?
  - altruios 2mo ago
    'They' - in this case - are those who are unable to empathize. People who only learn of other's struggles through visceral personal experience. Conservatives, in general, struggle with this class reasoning... Very much a 'if I don't experience it then it doesn't exist' kind of mentality. Frustrating and exhausting. A lack of imagination, a lack of empathy, they just are lacking in these regards.
    - rootusrootus 2mo ago
      Your comments are all in absolutes. As if this was the one thing that mattered to you, everything else is irrelevant. Don't most people make their decisions based on a balance of considerations? Dismissing half the world as nazi or fascist does not seem productive, it kinda makes you look like the insane one.
- cleaning 2mo ago
  [flagged]
- freshnode 2mo ago
  Voting with your wallet is still very much a valid way to protest that odious man. Some people might not mind (or even know), but I sleep better at night trying to work as ethically as I can.
- pauletienney 2mo ago
  "No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well." > I totally care about politics, especially when it comes to not giving my money to people like musk.
- sixothree 2mo ago
  > No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well. I do. There are enough models to choose from that I don't need to use one from a guy who did a nazi salute at the presidential podium, and proceeded to rid our government of brown people he felt didn't deserve their job.

gpm 2mo ago

I think it's very clear that someone who has checked out all the models but the one that called itself mechahitler and is explicitly being fine tuned to support far-right politics is making the choice for reasons other than performance and cost. It's not like all the other models even had plausible claims to those metrics.

satvikpendem 2mo ago
As I said to a dead reply, for coding all of that is immaterial, as long as it codes well then that's all that matters to most people, except it seems those who have an idelogical issue in which case the other model companies also have issues.
- gpm 2mo ago
  No, coding does not make ethical issues immaterial. Nor does it justify your behavior of harassing someone to do something that they've clearly decided not to do for ethical reasons on the basis of criteria that they have clearly rejected.
  - satvikpendem 2mo ago
    "Harassing" lol by telling them to try a model, alright. Anyway I didn't know they didn't want to use it for ideological reasons, they didn't say anything about that. Now that I know there's nothing more to be said.
- InsideOutSanta 2mo ago
  I don't care how good Grok is, it will be a cold day in hell when I give a guy who goes to AfD rallies, instrumentally supported the current Ebola outbreak, and gives the Hitler salute on stage (don't try to tell me he did not, I saw the video) any money I'm not absolutely forced to. And yes, OpenAI and Anthropic are highly questionable, too, and so I've ended my OpenAI subscription and I'm moving from Claude to other providers. But even people who do not do that are absolutely justified in drawing a line at supporting Musk, because there's a difference between mere normal shittiess and Musk.