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A Plane Ran Out of Fuel over the Atlantic. The Pilots Saved 306 Lives

13 points by ilamont 2mo ago

kotaKat 2mo ago
... I wonder if this was inspiration for Flight Simulator X's mission, Limited Options. [1] That one was flown on a 737-800, but... "When the plane suffers a fuel leak causing the engines to fail at 35,000 feet, you must decide whether to glide to Malé or Hanimadhoo Island to save 150 passengers from drowning in the Indian Ocean." Definitely a challenging flight under the simulator, total balls of steel to the pilots to pull it off for real. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAVfys9jfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAVfys9jfo
budman1 2mo ago
This is why you don't have FSD for airplanes. (of course, an argument could have been made that FSD would have handled the leak a little better)
- HawtAds 2mo ago
  I would say modern autoland (both GPS based and ILS types) systems are a little better when it comes to handling emergency issues like maximizing range and endurance but the problem with autoland is that they require a lot of things to work perfectly and will refuse to take any risk (autoland systems are not probabilistic like Tesla FSDs, they are mostly automatic traditional control systems). So if the plane will miss the threshold by a few feet the autoland won't even attempt it.
  - budman1 2mo ago
    The 'never happen' events need a human. Like "birds. both engines. looks like we are setting it down on the Hudson".
HawtAds 2mo ago
Not the first time this sort of thing happened in Canada, fuel starvation is surprisingly common in aviation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
mock-possum 2mo ago
yowza- > without impugning the remarkable piloting feat Piché performed by landing the plane without fuel, the Portuguese Aviation Accidents Prevention and Investigation Department’s report ultimately found that had Captain Piché and his crew identified the leak sooner, and followed the appropriate procedure instead of performing a fuel transfer from memory, they would have been able to conserve enough fuel for a normal landing at Lajes. Two overlapping errors then - the mechanics installing the wrong part, and the crew failing to properly follow procedure - and the pilots still managed to land everybody safely. Pretty wild.
quickthrowman 2mo ago
Admiral Cloudberg’s analyses of airliner incidents are the the best in every case: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/crisis-over-the-atlantic-the-near-crash-of-air-transat-flight-236-671d3a0c4b04 https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/crisis-over-the-atlantic...
jeegsy 2mo ago
As someone who works in Quality in the manufacturing space, the way these sort of decisions get made feels frighteningly familiar.

13 points by ilamont 2mo ago

... I wonder if this was inspiration for Flight Simulator X's mission, Limited Options. [1] That one was flown on a 737-800, but... "When the plane suffers a fuel leak causing the engines to fail at 35,000 feet, you must decide whether to glide to Malé or Hanimadhoo Island to save 150 passengers from drowning in the Indian Ocean." Definitely a challenging flight under the simulator, total balls of steel to the pilots to pull it off for real. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAVfys9jfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAVfys9jfo

budman1 2mo ago

This is why you don't have FSD for airplanes. (of course, an argument could have been made that FSD would have handled the leak a little better)

HawtAds 2mo ago
I would say modern autoland (both GPS based and ILS types) systems are a little better when it comes to handling emergency issues like maximizing range and endurance but the problem with autoland is that they require a lot of things to work perfectly and will refuse to take any risk (autoland systems are not probabilistic like Tesla FSDs, they are mostly automatic traditional control systems). So if the plane will miss the threshold by a few feet the autoland won't even attempt it.
- budman1 2mo ago
  The 'never happen' events need a human. Like "birds. both engines. looks like we are setting it down on the Hudson".

HawtAds 2mo ago

Not the first time this sort of thing happened in Canada, fuel starvation is surprisingly common in aviation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

mock-possum 2mo ago

yowza- > without impugning the remarkable piloting feat Piché performed by landing the plane without fuel, the Portuguese Aviation Accidents Prevention and Investigation Department’s report ultimately found that had Captain Piché and his crew identified the leak sooner, and followed the appropriate procedure instead of performing a fuel transfer from memory, they would have been able to conserve enough fuel for a normal landing at Lajes. Two overlapping errors then - the mechanics installing the wrong part, and the crew failing to properly follow procedure - and the pilots still managed to land everybody safely. Pretty wild.

quickthrowman 2mo ago

Admiral Cloudberg’s analyses of airliner incidents are the the best in every case: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/crisis-over-the-atlantic-the-near-crash-of-air-transat-flight-236-671d3a0c4b04 https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/crisis-over-the-atlantic...

jeegsy 2mo ago

As someone who works in Quality in the manufacturing space, the way these sort of decisions get made feels frighteningly familiar.