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~200% increase is marginal to you?

by jLaForest 2mo ago

nchmy 2mo ago
200% increase over practically free is still practically free
- mcbuilder 2mo ago
  It mostly hurts people in countries with weak purchasing power. DS was the main game in down for them. Personally, I don't think we've seen the total end of dirt cheap LLMs, it's just a frontier lab doesn't want to be in business of serving half the world.
  - HarHarVeryFunny 2mo ago
    It seems frontier labs want to sell Ferraris at Ferrari prices, when the mass market is for Hondas. You certainly don't need Fable to code up a basic web app, any more than you need a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.
    - odo1242 2mo ago
      There's a lot more competition over smaller models. Ferraris are frontier labs' main differentiating point when Hondas are increasingly open source and commoditized.
  - farlight 2mo ago
    Thank you for bringing that up, such a rarity for this place to remember the other 80% of the world. As someone from just such a country, DeepSeek 0731 was the first time I seriously started using an LLM for coding. All previous attempts were useless or ridiculously expensive. Can't say the old prices felt "free", but it was affordable if you're careful with your cache hit rate. The new pricing probably pushed it into the unaffordable territory for tasks where you can do without it. Probably will try opencode go if they don't also follow suite, or will have to go back to wetware.
    - nchmy 2mo ago
      you should be using opencode go - you get 6x the tokens for the same price. They also have free models. Kilocode and others also offer free models.
      - nchmy 2mo ago
        opencode go is slowly losing its value. Most of the $60 for $10 have become $15 for $10. In addition to deepseek's api pricing going up 2x today.
- jLaForest 2mo ago
  That's not the way math works...
  - nchmy 2mo ago
    its precisely the way math works...
127 2mo ago
For the price of can of Coke, you can do a week of work. For most, that is not a bottleneck.
- WhereIsTheTruth 2mo ago
  The whole point of turning intelligence into a commodity is to drive its price down, not up They are hoarding HW at massive scale, they make it harder and more expensive to own Just because you are fine with the new price doesn't mean it's not a problem Perhaps it's time to pop this bubble

~200% increase is marginal to you?

nchmy 2mo ago

200% increase over practically free is still practically free

mcbuilder 2mo ago
It mostly hurts people in countries with weak purchasing power. DS was the main game in down for them. Personally, I don't think we've seen the total end of dirt cheap LLMs, it's just a frontier lab doesn't want to be in business of serving half the world.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2mo ago
  It seems frontier labs want to sell Ferraris at Ferrari prices, when the mass market is for Hondas. You certainly don't need Fable to code up a basic web app, any more than you need a Ferrari to go grocery shopping.
  - odo1242 2mo ago
    There's a lot more competition over smaller models. Ferraris are frontier labs' main differentiating point when Hondas are increasingly open source and commoditized.
- farlight 2mo ago
  Thank you for bringing that up, such a rarity for this place to remember the other 80% of the world. As someone from just such a country, DeepSeek 0731 was the first time I seriously started using an LLM for coding. All previous attempts were useless or ridiculously expensive. Can't say the old prices felt "free", but it was affordable if you're careful with your cache hit rate. The new pricing probably pushed it into the unaffordable territory for tasks where you can do without it. Probably will try opencode go if they don't also follow suite, or will have to go back to wetware.
  - nchmy 2mo ago
    you should be using opencode go - you get 6x the tokens for the same price. They also have free models. Kilocode and others also offer free models.
    - nchmy 2mo ago
      opencode go is slowly losing its value. Most of the $60 for $10 have become $15 for $10. In addition to deepseek's api pricing going up 2x today.
jLaForest 2mo ago
That's not the way math works...
- nchmy 2mo ago
  its precisely the way math works...

127 2mo ago

For the price of can of Coke, you can do a week of work. For most, that is not a bottleneck.

WhereIsTheTruth 2mo ago
The whole point of turning intelligence into a commodity is to drive its price down, not up They are hoarding HW at massive scale, they make it harder and more expensive to own Just because you are fine with the new price doesn't mean it's not a problem Perhaps it's time to pop this bubble