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> Your post is oddly hyper-focused on pointing out the negatives because people are hyper-focused on the negatives of the "current" web, or acting like the sit

> Your post is oddly hyper-focused on pointing out the negatives because people are hyper-focused on the negatives of the "current" web, or acting like the sites they used to love can't be recreated anymore.. > it was just a bunch of people writing about themselves, their interests, and generally being creative. There still are. on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Reddit, 5ch and other Japanese subcommunities.. the fact that they're all "silo'ed" into these less-than-benign corpoctopuses is another matter, but people are still people'ing

zem 2mo ago
it's not "another thing", it means that your community forum lives on reddit (or whoever's) sufferance, and is subject to some corporation's capricious and arbitrary whims. this comment brings up a good concrete example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49293553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49293553
- Razengan 2mo ago
  This is a better comment on the same page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49296018 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49296018 Basically: "everyone has a different idea about what the Old Web™ was depending on when they first started using the internet, and when the community they liked was discontinued or changed"
  - zem 2mo ago
    that's a good comment for sure, but it doesn't address what I was talking about - specifically, in the "old internet" it was a lot commoner for a community to own its online spaces, usually by virtue of having one or two technically minded members who volunteered to run the infrastructure, and thanks to a lot of the required software being open source. sure, it's nice that anyone can just create a subreddit or facebook group now with no technical knowledge required, but there are definite ways in which living in someone else's space shapes your experience for the worse.
sodapopcan 2mo ago
> because people are hyper-focused on the negatives of the "current" web, or acting like the sites they used to love can't be recreated anymore.. Fair! > There still are. on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Reddit, 5ch and other Japanese subcommunities.. the fact that they're all "silo'ed" into these less-than-benign corpoctopuses is another matter, but people are still people'ing I know there are, but as per my comment, it's just harder to find and you used to almost not be able to avoid it. I don't think platforms like YouTube and Instagram are great examples due to the monotization... everyone is trying to "make it." But ya, I mean, I do know it's out there. But I think the whole point wasn't that this stuff doesn't still exist, just that maybe it will become the more prevalent thing again. At least that's how I read GP's comment. But who knows.

zem 2mo ago

it's not "another thing", it means that your community forum lives on reddit (or whoever's) sufferance, and is subject to some corporation's capricious and arbitrary whims. this comment brings up a good concrete example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49293553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49293553

Razengan 2mo ago
This is a better comment on the same page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49296018 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49296018 Basically: "everyone has a different idea about what the Old Web™ was depending on when they first started using the internet, and when the community they liked was discontinued or changed"
- zem 2mo ago
  that's a good comment for sure, but it doesn't address what I was talking about - specifically, in the "old internet" it was a lot commoner for a community to own its online spaces, usually by virtue of having one or two technically minded members who volunteered to run the infrastructure, and thanks to a lot of the required software being open source. sure, it's nice that anyone can just create a subreddit or facebook group now with no technical knowledge required, but there are definite ways in which living in someone else's space shapes your experience for the worse.

sodapopcan 2mo ago

> because people are hyper-focused on the negatives of the "current" web, or acting like the sites they used to love can't be recreated anymore.. Fair! > There still are. on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Reddit, 5ch and other Japanese subcommunities.. the fact that they're all "silo'ed" into these less-than-benign corpoctopuses is another matter, but people are still people'ing I know there are, but as per my comment, it's just harder to find and you used to almost not be able to avoid it. I don't think platforms like YouTube and Instagram are great examples due to the monotization... everyone is trying to "make it." But ya, I mean, I do know it's out there. But I think the whole point wasn't that this stuff doesn't still exist, just that maybe it will become the more prevalent thing again. At least that's how I read GP's comment. But who knows.