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I think you’re missing multiple points here. It doesn’t matter. It is highly likely that we’ll lose a large number of glaciers within our lifetimes, just based
by anon7000 2mo ago
I think you’re missing multiple points here. It doesn’t matter. It is highly likely that we’ll lose a large number of glaciers within our lifetimes, just based on trends you can measure with your own eyeball if you wanted. Sure seems like we’re on the tail end of a long process that humans just accelerated.
Whether or not you agree with the last point (though it’s odd to me for someone to look at the sheer scale of human industry and think it has no impact on the global ecosystem), loss of glaciers will certainly have a big impact on those areas. These mountainous regions will have less and less snowmelt in the summer, which means less water everywhere downstream of them, which impacts every living thing in those regions.
When change happens quickly, it is harder for the ecosystem or evolution to balance it out.
The long term trend is, indeed, quite worrisome, even if you want to toss out the short term graph.
All that aside: the problem is that humans are accustomed to some normal, predictable climate trends to live our lives. It is very disruptive when those change in unpredictable ways. And the climate will obviously be unpredictable when a glacier disappears from a region that always had one, or when the El Niño event is the hottest ever. Our predictions are based on similar past events, so what happens when we don’t actually have a similar past event to compare to?
- tonymet 2mo agowhat matters is the story implied by the graphs. If you show a graph of shrinking glaciers starting from 1950 , the story being told is "look, human emissions have triggered a sudden recession in glaciers, implying a looming cataclysm". If you show the graph starting from 1860, showing that the bulk of the recession occurred before industry, then the story is " we are seeing a warming trend that likely started 1000 years ago or further" The first story convinces people that human emissions are the primary cause, and the solution is degrowth. The second story is that climate is cyclical, and the solution is identifying the specific threats to human welfare and addressing those.