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> Honor, morality: if we don't have an accurate test for the fitness of a model, then who is to say the lying, cheating, stealing is not the 'correct path' towa
by skinfaxi 2mo ago
> Honor, morality: if we don't have an accurate test for the fitness of a model, then who is to say the lying, cheating, stealing is not the 'correct path' towards survival?
I think part of the problem is that deviant behaviors lead to short term gain at the cost of long-term cooperation and since the duration of tasks given to agents is relatively short those successful shortcuts never lead to having to pay the price.
- itsalwaysgood 2mo agoThere is always going to be a problem when we must judge value. You mention gains, short and long term. Knowing whether something is valuable, a gain, requires a judge. I the case of these tests: the judging is inadequate. In economics, each of us plays the judge by choosing whether or not to pay for a service. The decision was yours: if you gave money, you must have deemed the service valuable. There's no such judgement with these model tests. The only judgement is the final score.
- skinfaxi 2mo agoIt feels a lot like externalities. Like planned obsolescence increases profit at the expense of the environment. Is our judgement lacking because our scoring is failing to account for these externalities? I could be completely off base here and am out of my depth but I find this whole thread fascinating.