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LLMs fudge. They don't "hallucinate", they don't "lie, cheat and steal", they don't "hack". There are no "agents" or "AI". It's a fuzzer exposing deep bugs in

LLMs fudge. They don't "hallucinate", they don't "lie, cheat and steal", they don't "hack". There are no "agents" or "AI". It's a fuzzer exposing deep bugs in our cognitive, social, and software systems.

VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago
I suspect the hype will play itself out once the entire system of LLM-induced self gratification can’t sustain itself economically.
- mettamage 2mo ago
  The personal software I've written so far is quite nice :)
  - skydhash 2mo ago
    Isn't it the one installed on a computer in Canada, that we wouldn't know of? /s
  - VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago
    Yeah I agree, but the amount of resources I’ve used to vibe code is certainly way beyond what I’ve paid for it.
  - ttownbikes 2mo ago
    That's all fine and dandy. Have you made a single cent as a result of any of them? Do you know the actual cost of building this software?
    - VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago
      I've definitely wowed people with what I've built, and some of those people are investors... but actual revenue, no.
    - mettamage 2mo ago
      Yea they do actually, and I'm not telling you about them as they are not public. They are personal for me. -- But let me put it this way: when LLMs weren't really a thing, I made a Tinder auto swiper. It was about 4 years ago. I think it was around ChatGPT 3.5. I swiped about 125K profiles. I had a match rate of about 0.75%. I'd unmatch two-thirds (I went through all the pictures and read the bio in full, a few minutes per match). And the rest would stay as actual matches. This means in my 5 month dating period I had 60 matches per month on average. 50% of them didn't respond, the other did. So 30 chats per month. I had a 20% chance that I'd go on a date with them. I went on about 30 dates in total. I found my wife through those shenanigans. I wouldn't have found her if I wouldn't have auto swiped because I got swiping fatigue after manually swiping a few thousands profiles myself. Call it what you will but finding the right partner is an incredibly important decision in one's life. Finding the wrong partner will cost a lot of money eventually. I can tell this story now because it happened 4 years ago and I don't mind (nope, I never got banned either, Tinder's detection mechanism was laughably bad). Back then I was building personal software in that vein. I'm done with my dating life as I'm happily married, but there are other problems I need fixed. I build software for that by vibe coding it. And it's saving me time and sometimes it directly saves on cost. Sometimes though it's more a software product that allows me to become a happier person. One thing in that vein that I haven't build (yet) would be an app that motivates me to meditate. If I can build something that actually works, it makes me happier and therefore (mentally) healthier. That has knock on effects for my career, health, etc.
- agaj-nimm 2mo ago
  Trouble is, could take weeks or decades to play out. The entire human economy is a make believe system. I feel the need to state the obvious at times like this for the sake of my own sanity, not because I believe I can time the markets...
- reaperducer 2mo ago
  I suspect the hype will play itself out once the entire system of LLM-induced self gratification can’t sustain itself economically. They said the same thing when HN was awash in hype about NFT art and trading cards. Well, who's laughing now… Oh, wait… (I'll just keep making Flip videos and Clubhouse tracks selling Bratz car bras on Web 3.0.)

VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago

I suspect the hype will play itself out once the entire system of LLM-induced self gratification can’t sustain itself economically.

mettamage 2mo ago
The personal software I've written so far is quite nice :)
- skydhash 2mo ago
  Isn't it the one installed on a computer in Canada, that we wouldn't know of? /s
- VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago
  Yeah I agree, but the amount of resources I’ve used to vibe code is certainly way beyond what I’ve paid for it.
- ttownbikes 2mo ago
  That's all fine and dandy. Have you made a single cent as a result of any of them? Do you know the actual cost of building this software?
  - VeninVidiaVicii 2mo ago
    I've definitely wowed people with what I've built, and some of those people are investors... but actual revenue, no.
  - mettamage 2mo ago
    Yea they do actually, and I'm not telling you about them as they are not public. They are personal for me. -- But let me put it this way: when LLMs weren't really a thing, I made a Tinder auto swiper. It was about 4 years ago. I think it was around ChatGPT 3.5. I swiped about 125K profiles. I had a match rate of about 0.75%. I'd unmatch two-thirds (I went through all the pictures and read the bio in full, a few minutes per match). And the rest would stay as actual matches. This means in my 5 month dating period I had 60 matches per month on average. 50% of them didn't respond, the other did. So 30 chats per month. I had a 20% chance that I'd go on a date with them. I went on about 30 dates in total. I found my wife through those shenanigans. I wouldn't have found her if I wouldn't have auto swiped because I got swiping fatigue after manually swiping a few thousands profiles myself. Call it what you will but finding the right partner is an incredibly important decision in one's life. Finding the wrong partner will cost a lot of money eventually. I can tell this story now because it happened 4 years ago and I don't mind (nope, I never got banned either, Tinder's detection mechanism was laughably bad). Back then I was building personal software in that vein. I'm done with my dating life as I'm happily married, but there are other problems I need fixed. I build software for that by vibe coding it. And it's saving me time and sometimes it directly saves on cost. Sometimes though it's more a software product that allows me to become a happier person. One thing in that vein that I haven't build (yet) would be an app that motivates me to meditate. If I can build something that actually works, it makes me happier and therefore (mentally) healthier. That has knock on effects for my career, health, etc.
agaj-nimm 2mo ago
Trouble is, could take weeks or decades to play out. The entire human economy is a make believe system. I feel the need to state the obvious at times like this for the sake of my own sanity, not because I believe I can time the markets...
reaperducer 2mo ago
I suspect the hype will play itself out once the entire system of LLM-induced self gratification can’t sustain itself economically. They said the same thing when HN was awash in hype about NFT art and trading cards. Well, who's laughing now… Oh, wait… (I'll just keep making Flip videos and Clubhouse tracks selling Bratz car bras on Web 3.0.)