4 ms·

well theres a subset of countries that are reducing their emissions and a subset of countries that are not. perhaps we should punish the countries that are not

well theres a subset of countries that are reducing their emissions and a subset of countries that are not. perhaps we should punish the countries that are not.

xscott 2mo ago
You're going to punish Bolivia, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, and Congo?!? I don't think that will help: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... Maybe you'll suggest changing that to be per capita? Punishing Palau, Qatar, and Kuwait?
- dnautics 2mo ago
  just punish countries a fixed amount per kg yoy increase. small countries will (probably) not be punished much in case they had overage
robocat 2mo ago
The US is the historical global leader of CO2 emissions, so start there. You think we should punish countries because they should be cleaning up the CO2 generated by other countries?
- dnautics 2mo ago
  no, we should actually put some teeth into this idea that this is a global problem and make everyone do their part. the us is dramatically reducing its co2 footprint. the us currently is emitting per capita roughly what it emitted oer capita in 1910 if you didn't know this then its a pity your information sources are not telling you this.
  - defrost 2mo ago
    How about the US consumption footprint? Offshoring all the manufacturing and raw material processing elsewhere was convenient for claiming to create less CO2 discharge within the US - but is the US willing to forego all those shiny things that were created with offshore CO2 emission?
    - dnautics 2mo ago
      nope. trade corrected us co is down considerably too. biggest contributor is that there was a flippening the us biggest trading partners shifted back to canada and mexico from china, under trump 1 iirc, which are way less bad emitters than china, and moving goods from those two countries incurs less co2 footprint for obvious reasons.
  - robocat 1mo ago
    The pool is full of shit, and you are trying to argue that the US shitting into the pool like it first started back in 1910 is okay? Rich (developed) countries created the CO2. Marginal arguments that poor countries need to do their bit is insulting. Most poor countries have never been able to afford to burn much oil and if us rich countries want them to change behaviours, we should be paying them to help clean up our mess. Coal matters too. Methane is a temporary plaster over the main issue.

well theres a subset of countries that are reducing their emissions and a subset of countries that are not. perhaps we should punish the countries that are not.

xscott 2mo ago

You're going to punish Bolivia, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, and Congo?!? I don't think that will help: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... Maybe you'll suggest changing that to be per capita? Punishing Palau, Qatar, and Kuwait?

dnautics 2mo ago
just punish countries a fixed amount per kg yoy increase. small countries will (probably) not be punished much in case they had overage

robocat 2mo ago

The US is the historical global leader of CO2 emissions, so start there. You think we should punish countries because they should be cleaning up the CO2 generated by other countries?

dnautics 2mo ago
no, we should actually put some teeth into this idea that this is a global problem and make everyone do their part. the us is dramatically reducing its co2 footprint. the us currently is emitting per capita roughly what it emitted oer capita in 1910 if you didn't know this then its a pity your information sources are not telling you this.
- defrost 2mo ago
  How about the US consumption footprint? Offshoring all the manufacturing and raw material processing elsewhere was convenient for claiming to create less CO2 discharge within the US - but is the US willing to forego all those shiny things that were created with offshore CO2 emission?
  - dnautics 2mo ago
    nope. trade corrected us co is down considerably too. biggest contributor is that there was a flippening the us biggest trading partners shifted back to canada and mexico from china, under trump 1 iirc, which are way less bad emitters than china, and moving goods from those two countries incurs less co2 footprint for obvious reasons.
- robocat 1mo ago
  The pool is full of shit, and you are trying to argue that the US shitting into the pool like it first started back in 1910 is okay? Rich (developed) countries created the CO2. Marginal arguments that poor countries need to do their bit is insulting. Most poor countries have never been able to afford to burn much oil and if us rich countries want them to change behaviours, we should be paying them to help clean up our mess. Coal matters too. Methane is a temporary plaster over the main issue.