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> The year was 20xx and I was looking right at the glaciers and they were decidedly not gone. They just shrunk by 40% in ~50 years, no biggy On a few other cl

> The year was 20xx and I was looking right at the glaciers and they were decidedly not gone. They just shrunk by 40% in ~50 years, no biggy On a few other climate related topics scientists are actually surprised at how fast it's getting out of hands. > In a democracy, credibility is an important resource. We got Trump... Twice... so clearly not. What matters is selling a dream, and nobody want to hear about the dream of reducing growth, buying less, consuming less, etc.

ornornor 2mo ago
> nobody want to hear about the dream of reducing growth, buying less, consuming less, etc. The problem is that it’s going to happen either way. The only question is are we facing this prepared or are we having a tantrum refusing to accept it and get hit by it anyway with our pants down? Looks like we’re going for pants down.
- toasty228 2mo ago
  Oh yeah I fully made peace with that myself already, it'll happen regardless of what we want. Some countries will be prepared, some won't, either way you can't fight what's coming.
  - netsharc 2mo ago
    Well, rules like borders become irrelevant when people need to live. (Plenty of evidence of that). Unless the rules are applied by force. (Also plenty of evidence..)
netsharc 2mo ago
> The year was 20xx and I was looking right at the glaciers and they were decidedly not gone. "Experts" like GP poster is why the IPCC studies choose conservative values of how rapid the change will be (they don't want to be dismissed as alarmist), leading to underestimation and: > On a few other climate related topics scientists are actually surprised at how fast it's getting out of hands.
27183 2mo ago
It could be that democracy is not the best long-term sustainable form of government. If the free pursuit of happiness leads to environmental collapse, maybe it's the problem. I hope that isn't the case and we can find some way to work it out, but the evidence is lacking.

ornornor 2mo ago

> nobody want to hear about the dream of reducing growth, buying less, consuming less, etc. The problem is that it’s going to happen either way. The only question is are we facing this prepared or are we having a tantrum refusing to accept it and get hit by it anyway with our pants down? Looks like we’re going for pants down.

toasty228 2mo ago
Oh yeah I fully made peace with that myself already, it'll happen regardless of what we want. Some countries will be prepared, some won't, either way you can't fight what's coming.
- netsharc 2mo ago
  Well, rules like borders become irrelevant when people need to live. (Plenty of evidence of that). Unless the rules are applied by force. (Also plenty of evidence..)

netsharc 2mo ago

> The year was 20xx and I was looking right at the glaciers and they were decidedly not gone. "Experts" like GP poster is why the IPCC studies choose conservative values of how rapid the change will be (they don't want to be dismissed as alarmist), leading to underestimation and: > On a few other climate related topics scientists are actually surprised at how fast it's getting out of hands.

27183 2mo ago

It could be that democracy is not the best long-term sustainable form of government. If the free pursuit of happiness leads to environmental collapse, maybe it's the problem. I hope that isn't the case and we can find some way to work it out, but the evidence is lacking.