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This underscores the importance of the Internet Archive and people like Marion Stokes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

This underscores the importance of the Internet Archive and people like Marion Stokes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes).

toomuchtodo 2mo ago
It's incredibly frustrating. The Internet Archive offers a Vault product, where you pay $2-3/GB one time for perpetual storage into the future of your collections, items, media, etc. This pricing was previously predicated on the cost decline curve of storage. It's gotten a bit more expensive due to the AI bubble inflating the cost of storage, but to your point, the Internet Archive is a superior custodian than some rando tier 2 cloud provider who won a contract from a non profit and will lose all of the data when they go bust. https://archive-it.org/vault/ https://archive-it.org/vault/ (huge fan of Stokes as a fellow archivist, recommend the documentary on her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder:_The_Marion_Stokes_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder:_The_Marion_Stokes_Pr...)
ChrisRR 2mo ago
Don't trust Internet Archive as your only backup method though. There has been instances where they delete files without warning with the only explanation being that they don't meet TOS
- toomuchtodo 2mo ago
  Inability to access items does not mean deleted. In the case of PBS content, it is unlikely access would be lost. I cannot speak to your use case, but the Patron Help Desk can confirm if an item is relevant to their preservation efforts if you'd like to check before uploading. Email info at archive dot org to inquire. Someone dumping their Twitch stream or random Youtube content into the storage system will certainly have that content deleted and be banned if prior arrangements have not been made, for example. Don’t do that. https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/hwotuyn/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_...
- embedding-shape 2mo ago
  > Don't trust Internet Archive as your only backup method though. Agreed, no doubt about it. > There has been instances where they delete files without warning with the only explanation being that they don't meet TOS What sort of content? All the content I've judged to be of public interest and uploaded to Internet Archive, is still online there today. But I'd understand that depending on the type of content, that might not be true for everythibng.
  - fragmede 2mo ago
    it's cop material and the owner asks them via DMCA to take it down
  - ChrisRR 2mo ago
    From what I remember it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, like TV shows or software or something. As far as I remember the issue may have been that archive.org already had a copy of what had been uploaded, but they deleted it without warning and then refused to offer an explanation So it may have been a legitimate deletion, but poorly executed

This underscores the importance of the Internet Archive and people like Marion Stokes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Stokes).

toomuchtodo 2mo ago

It's incredibly frustrating. The Internet Archive offers a Vault product, where you pay $2-3/GB one time for perpetual storage into the future of your collections, items, media, etc. This pricing was previously predicated on the cost decline curve of storage. It's gotten a bit more expensive due to the AI bubble inflating the cost of storage, but to your point, the Internet Archive is a superior custodian than some rando tier 2 cloud provider who won a contract from a non profit and will lose all of the data when they go bust. https://archive-it.org/vault/ https://archive-it.org/vault/ (huge fan of Stokes as a fellow archivist, recommend the documentary on her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder:_The_Marion_Stokes_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorder:_The_Marion_Stokes_Pr...)

ChrisRR 2mo ago

Don't trust Internet Archive as your only backup method though. There has been instances where they delete files without warning with the only explanation being that they don't meet TOS

toomuchtodo 2mo ago
Inability to access items does not mean deleted. In the case of PBS content, it is unlikely access would be lost. I cannot speak to your use case, but the Patron Help Desk can confirm if an item is relevant to their preservation efforts if you'd like to check before uploading. Email info at archive dot org to inquire. Someone dumping their Twitch stream or random Youtube content into the storage system will certainly have that content deleted and be banned if prior arrangements have not been made, for example. Don’t do that. https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/hwotuyn/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_...
embedding-shape 2mo ago
> Don't trust Internet Archive as your only backup method though. Agreed, no doubt about it. > There has been instances where they delete files without warning with the only explanation being that they don't meet TOS What sort of content? All the content I've judged to be of public interest and uploaded to Internet Archive, is still online there today. But I'd understand that depending on the type of content, that might not be true for everythibng.
- fragmede 2mo ago
  it's cop material and the owner asks them via DMCA to take it down
- ChrisRR 2mo ago
  From what I remember it wasn't anything out of the ordinary, like TV shows or software or something. As far as I remember the issue may have been that archive.org already had a copy of what had been uploaded, but they deleted it without warning and then refused to offer an explanation So it may have been a legitimate deletion, but poorly executed