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You can find pictures of AOC and Mamdani doing the exact same gesture. It’s obviously a common gesture when emoting to crowds. But you just want to believe the
by Rover222 2mo ago
You can find pictures of AOC and Mamdani doing the exact same gesture. It’s obviously a common gesture when emoting to crowds. But you just want to believe the narrative. If you’re worried about Nazis, take a look at all the pro-Hamas people.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoI've seen the claimed pictures in context with their videos, they are distinctly different gestures in timing and emphasis - normal waves, without the sharp hand to chest -> locked elbow with hand outstretched motion. Again, the seig heil is a particular gesture with a particular emphasis and timing which Musk imitated precisely, twice in quick succession. Those other photos are decontextualized from gestures which were clearly different motions entirely. You're spouting easily refuted nonsense, and then immediately making ad hominem attacks because your points are extremely weak and not backed up by the evidence you vaguely cite. You're also getting ratioed because people here are not idiotic ideologues. Please do better. --- I'll also leave you with a nice quote from Sartre which was directed at the fascists of the time - we've seen this shit before, we know what you're doing: “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
- HDBaseT 2mo agoGenuinely why would Elon do a Nazi salute when he's in the Jewish/Israeli class?
- nickthegreek 2mo agoWho knows. But he did.
- btreecat 2mo agoWhy would Israeli settlers commit ethnic cleansing despite their country existing as a response to ethnic cleansing? Idk I'm not a Zionist, but it's clearly what's happening.
- Rover222 2mo agoYou’re just incapable of talking about these things honestly. It’s NOT ethnic cleansing. Your exaggeration of that war, and your calling Musk a Nazi is what gets people shot in the neck.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoHere's recent first-hand documentation of ethnic cleansing in Palestine from an independent source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvvGbzR2Xek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvvGbzR2Xek . What evidence in that video do you refute? What evidence would change your mind?
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoI see you stopped responding when provided with evidence. Why?
- Rover222 2mo agoIt is seriously absurd to believe he did it as a Nazi salute. But you just want to believe it.
- mpawelski 2mo agoFacts don't care about feelings.
- Rover222 2mo agoBrainwashed. It’s creepy.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoI see you stopped responding when provided with evidence. Why?
- btreecat 2mo ago"don't believe you lying eyes" you say?
- pirates 2mo agoIt is seriously absurd to not believe he did it as a Nazi salute. But you just want to not believe.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoI see you stopped responding when provided with evidence. Why?
- mpawelski 2mo agoIt never cease to amaze me that the usual response (and Musk's defense itself) is that you can find a picture with some other figure with the same gesture. Who cares about the pictures? There is a whole video where you can see that he does historically accurate nazi salute then turn back and do it again. Stop talking about pictures, always show video of what happened. Find me a video of someone else doing the same and tell me it's the same. You won't, because what you see in video is much more obvious that what you see on pictures. People are dump to only show still photo of Musk with this salute. Everyone know you can take picture out of context, when you watch full video it's much harder to do so. Must was clearly showing it intentionally. Maybe because he's a troll (I wouldn't be surprised), maybe because of other reasons (I hope not...).
- Rover222 2mo agoOnce again, it is incredibly ignorant to suggest that just because it looks like a Nazi salute that was the intention. There’s no reality that suggests that was his intention. It’s just your political brainwashing.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoMusk appeared at a far right political rally a short time later, and told them not to be ashamed of their heritage (https://www.gbnews.com/politics/us/elon-musk-afd-germany https://www.gbnews.com/politics/us/elon-musk-afd-germany). The AfD who he appeared in support of has been found in court to use nazi imagery in political advertising (https://www.world-today-journal.com/afds-moller-fined-e12000-for-alleged-hitler-salute-on-campaign-poster/ https://www.world-today-journal.com/afds-moller-fined-e12000...). So the seig heil didn't happen in isolation, there's a followup of explicit support for nazi-adjacent political ideologies. Does this count as evidence to support that this was an intentional seig heil to you, even if it doesn't change your mind? What evidence would change your mind?
- theyliesoeasily 2mo agoI see you stopped responding when provided with evidence. Why?
- btreecat 2mo agoLink it