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> The reason some pedestrians feel cyclists pose a bigger threat than drivers, is mostly due to car centric infrastructure. I'm sympathetic to criticisms of ca

by neilv 2mo ago

> The reason some pedestrians feel cyclists pose a bigger threat than drivers, is mostly due to car centric infrastructure. I'm sympathetic to criticisms of car-centric infrastructure and regulations, but the human/motor-powered bikes and scooters in just 2 years have lost any political high ground, by en masse behaving like the historically worst car drivers. And you can no longer separate bicyclists from the motorized regulation-circumventing bikes and scooters, when (in my thousands of hours of anecdotal observations) human-powered bikes are mimicking the behaviors of the motorized. Regarding injuries, I don't think we will have good stats yet, but random data point I happened to bookmark, from this company's town: https://mass.streetsblog.org/2025/08/07/e-bike-rider-inflicts-serious-injuries-to-pedestrian-in-chaotic-copley-square-intersection https://mass.streetsblog.org/2025/08/07/e-bike-rider-inflict... A couple other relevant non-HN links: https://macleans.ca/longforms/menace-on-the-streets/ https://macleans.ca/longforms/menace-on-the-streets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1v0mboz/er_doctors_warning_parents_against_getting_their/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1v0mboz/er_do...

foco_tubi 2mo ago
There are a lot of conclusions which do not follow the evidence here. You’re using similarity of bad behavior to imply similarity of harm, while simultaneously admitting you don’t have the statistics showing similarity of harm.
sagarm 2mo ago
Similarly, I oppose spending any money on or allocating any space to car infrastructure until every driver obeys speed limits exactly. Pedestrianise it all :)
matsemann 2mo ago
> And you can no longer separate bicyclists from the motorized regulation-circumventing bikes and scooters Why not? Why should how someone else acts impact what you think of me? I see this all the time in these discussions. Cyclists are responsible for what any cyclist ever has done. When drivers break the law (which statistics say they do to a greater degree), it's however those individuals that are to blame.

by neilv 2mo ago

foco_tubi 2mo ago

There are a lot of conclusions which do not follow the evidence here. You’re using similarity of bad behavior to imply similarity of harm, while simultaneously admitting you don’t have the statistics showing similarity of harm.

sagarm 2mo ago

Similarly, I oppose spending any money on or allocating any space to car infrastructure until every driver obeys speed limits exactly. Pedestrianise it all :)

matsemann 2mo ago

> And you can no longer separate bicyclists from the motorized regulation-circumventing bikes and scooters Why not? Why should how someone else acts impact what you think of me? I see this all the time in these discussions. Cyclists are responsible for what any cyclist ever has done. When drivers break the law (which statistics say they do to a greater degree), it's however those individuals that are to blame.