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I do think this question comes up a lot-- I can understand why. For some well-explained reasons, check out https://darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-tec

by akman 2mo ago

I do think this question comes up a lot-- I can understand why. For some well-explained reasons, check out https://darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology https://darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology and search for "CCP".

Eueudhsbsj32 2mo ago
So is your concern more about reducing the risk of an authoritarian China "winning" the AI race? And less about reducing the risk of your data being used against you personally? To me, the risks of an individual helping China to continue to develop their AI by being a customer is pretty marginal compared with the personal risks of my data being used against me.
- akman 2mo ago
  I see. Though if you follow the argument set forth by Dario, it seems you'll not only have your concern to worry about (i.e., personal risks of your data used against you), but many more as well on top of that.
vrganj 2mo ago
As somebody from neither the US nor China, this argument would be much stronger if the US hadn't started acting like a rogue state - starting wars of aggression and messing up the world's energy supply, actively speeding up climate change, kidnapping leaders of sovereign nations, threatening its allies (!) with invasion, etc etc. The CCP's not great either, sure. But the Americans don't really have a leg to stand on anymore.
- akman 2mo ago
  As far as AI is concerned, it looks like you will need to pick 1?
  - Cookingboy 2mo ago
    Then I pick the country that hasn't been bombing people and starting wars nonstop over the past 40 years. Hint: It's not the U.S.
- theyliesoeasily 2mo ago
  To be fair the US has been doing this its entire history, it just stopped pretending. C.f. Hawaii, Guatemala, Cuba, Chile, "The Jakarta Method", etc. etc. etc.
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HDBaseT 2mo ago
A blog by Dario of all people. Totally not bias towards non-US models.

by akman 2mo ago

Eueudhsbsj32 2mo ago

So is your concern more about reducing the risk of an authoritarian China "winning" the AI race? And less about reducing the risk of your data being used against you personally? To me, the risks of an individual helping China to continue to develop their AI by being a customer is pretty marginal compared with the personal risks of my data being used against me.

akman 2mo ago
I see. Though if you follow the argument set forth by Dario, it seems you'll not only have your concern to worry about (i.e., personal risks of your data used against you), but many more as well on top of that.

vrganj 2mo ago

As somebody from neither the US nor China, this argument would be much stronger if the US hadn't started acting like a rogue state - starting wars of aggression and messing up the world's energy supply, actively speeding up climate change, kidnapping leaders of sovereign nations, threatening its allies (!) with invasion, etc etc. The CCP's not great either, sure. But the Americans don't really have a leg to stand on anymore.

akman 2mo ago
As far as AI is concerned, it looks like you will need to pick 1?
- Cookingboy 2mo ago
  Then I pick the country that hasn't been bombing people and starting wars nonstop over the past 40 years. Hint: It's not the U.S.
theyliesoeasily 2mo ago
To be fair the US has been doing this its entire history, it just stopped pretending. C.f. Hawaii, Guatemala, Cuba, Chile, "The Jakarta Method", etc. etc. etc.
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HDBaseT 2mo ago

A blog by Dario of all people. Totally not bias towards non-US models.