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I mean, the obvious thing is that the "learn to code quick, code bootcamps!" drive was driven by connected people who were, as they are now, attempting to drive

I mean, the obvious thing is that the "learn to code quick, code bootcamps!" drive was driven by connected people who were, as they are now, attempting to drive down the cost of software development. Management types really really really loathe software developers for making good money, and have spent decades now jumping at any advertisement that suggests it can undercut the salary of your current crop of engineers. Devaluing software developers has always been the point. Whether you take the cynical view of "They resent us for being expensive" or the apathetic view of "Capitalism simply wants to eliminate any and every cost by definition"

bornfreddy 2mo ago
Exactly this. And now it is AI - I can't wait to see what they will be paying in a few years to those who will be able to clean up the LLM mess.
WalterBright 2mo ago
> Management types really really really loathe software developers for making good money Of course. I bet you loathe having to spend $70,000 to buy a nice car, too! > Capitalism simply wants to eliminate any and every cost by definition You could look up what life was like under Soviet communism. Me, I prefer capitalism.
- rayiner 2mo ago
  The irony is that Soviets are famous for falling behind in computing because their 5 year plans failed to appreciate the importance.
  - leonidasrup 2mo ago
    And yet the Chinese with their 5 year plans are not falling behind in computing. Advances in computing can not be pinned just to planned economy/capitalist economy. For example the West Germany computer industry, French computer industry, UK computer industry (with exception of ARM), Japanese computer industry have fallen behind.
- jambalaya8 2mo ago
  I do not believe what the world is calling either of those things (communism or capitalism) now is anything like it was when the USSR was existent in the 1970s.

bornfreddy 2mo ago

Exactly this. And now it is AI - I can't wait to see what they will be paying in a few years to those who will be able to clean up the LLM mess.

WalterBright 2mo ago

> Management types really really really loathe software developers for making good money Of course. I bet you loathe having to spend $70,000 to buy a nice car, too! > Capitalism simply wants to eliminate any and every cost by definition You could look up what life was like under Soviet communism. Me, I prefer capitalism.

rayiner 2mo ago
The irony is that Soviets are famous for falling behind in computing because their 5 year plans failed to appreciate the importance.
- leonidasrup 2mo ago
  And yet the Chinese with their 5 year plans are not falling behind in computing. Advances in computing can not be pinned just to planned economy/capitalist economy. For example the West Germany computer industry, French computer industry, UK computer industry (with exception of ARM), Japanese computer industry have fallen behind.
jambalaya8 2mo ago
I do not believe what the world is calling either of those things (communism or capitalism) now is anything like it was when the USSR was existent in the 1970s.