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I'm sure this seemed like a great idea a year ago (they first mentioned it with their Series B). But a lot has changed in those 12 months. Frontier models and

I'm sure this seemed like a great idea a year ago (they first mentioned it with their Series B). But a lot has changed in those 12 months. Frontier models and coding agents have advanced so much that I don't really see much value in this anymore. Not sure the DeltaDB based features really add anything significant compared to the alternatives. I reckon the game here has to be adding a service that stores the data and runs agent sessions?

markstos 2mo ago
To be fair: a year ago the editor was in the center and the AI chat was in the sidebar-- Cursor. Here they've moved the AI chat to the center and code editor has been pushed to the side.
- bakugo 2mo ago
  The obvious next step is to remove the code editor entirely.
  - apsurd 2mo ago
    It seems reasonable that a professional-tier of software developers will have tools distinct from everyone else. No matter what the percentage looks like, experts will still be a thing that needs different things.
  - Shorel 2mo ago
    In my own agent there's no code editor, just the chat session. I have not missed an integrated text editor.
- alerighi 2mo ago
  For me it's probably time to learn to use vim or something similar. I'm the only one that likes coding manually, without all this AI shit? I'm faster writing code myself than trying to explain to artificial stupidity what I intend to do and correct its output. And if I write it myself the code just works, if it's written by the AI it has a ton of bugs. I don't see any value in AI generated code that is not mere code for doing experiments that you don't care about.
  - pimeys 2mo ago
    Hey me too. This is my morning Zen moment refactoring and cleaning some code before I go back to the agent to earn money. One of the only things that helps me to relax is to do some manual coding...
  - chrysoprace 2mo ago
    There is never a bad time to learn vim! Not only is it a super useful skill if you end up having to edit a file on a server (and you don't want to deal with nano), it also makes coding fun.
  - Shorel 2mo ago
    You can learn Vim, Kakoune, Helix, in that order.
- dvcrn 2mo ago
  Zed already has a “agentic layout” for a while. It shifts the ai and threads to be more prominent and moves code + sidebar to the right
- vorticalbox 2mo ago
  i hate the "agent" side of cursor and the keep pushing me to change to it. sure if what i want is lots of agents all in different projects so i can jump between them sure but when i'm working on software it is usually one thing at a time and i wan't code visibility over AI chat.
zcaceres 2mo ago
The product is not an IDE, it is exactly the agent-native experience you're saying is required for current gen models.
- the_duke 2mo ago
  I guess my main point is that the additional features on top of DeltaDB don't seem terribly important to me anymore, compared to the alternatives.
dv_dt 2mo ago
When cli agents and the models behind them advanced sufficiently, I basically ditched the IDEs/editors with ai built in, and went back to plain fast sublime & vim. Though I'm playing a bit with helix these days. But back to more focused tools instead of a mishmash soup of ui and interactions

markstos 2mo ago

To be fair: a year ago the editor was in the center and the AI chat was in the sidebar-- Cursor. Here they've moved the AI chat to the center and code editor has been pushed to the side.

bakugo 2mo ago
The obvious next step is to remove the code editor entirely.
- apsurd 2mo ago
  It seems reasonable that a professional-tier of software developers will have tools distinct from everyone else. No matter what the percentage looks like, experts will still be a thing that needs different things.
- Shorel 2mo ago
  In my own agent there's no code editor, just the chat session. I have not missed an integrated text editor.
alerighi 2mo ago
For me it's probably time to learn to use vim or something similar. I'm the only one that likes coding manually, without all this AI shit? I'm faster writing code myself than trying to explain to artificial stupidity what I intend to do and correct its output. And if I write it myself the code just works, if it's written by the AI it has a ton of bugs. I don't see any value in AI generated code that is not mere code for doing experiments that you don't care about.
- pimeys 2mo ago
  Hey me too. This is my morning Zen moment refactoring and cleaning some code before I go back to the agent to earn money. One of the only things that helps me to relax is to do some manual coding...
- chrysoprace 2mo ago
  There is never a bad time to learn vim! Not only is it a super useful skill if you end up having to edit a file on a server (and you don't want to deal with nano), it also makes coding fun.
- Shorel 2mo ago
  You can learn Vim, Kakoune, Helix, in that order.
dvcrn 2mo ago
Zed already has a “agentic layout” for a while. It shifts the ai and threads to be more prominent and moves code + sidebar to the right
vorticalbox 2mo ago
i hate the "agent" side of cursor and the keep pushing me to change to it. sure if what i want is lots of agents all in different projects so i can jump between them sure but when i'm working on software it is usually one thing at a time and i wan't code visibility over AI chat.

zcaceres 2mo ago

The product is not an IDE, it is exactly the agent-native experience you're saying is required for current gen models.

the_duke 2mo ago
I guess my main point is that the additional features on top of DeltaDB don't seem terribly important to me anymore, compared to the alternatives.

dv_dt 2mo ago

When cli agents and the models behind them advanced sufficiently, I basically ditched the IDEs/editors with ai built in, and went back to plain fast sublime & vim. Though I'm playing a bit with helix these days. But back to more focused tools instead of a mishmash soup of ui and interactions