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I have. He was using it due to philosophical reasons the same way many people have philosophical reasons for avoiding it. I don't know how many people are like

by jm4 2mo ago

I have. He was using it due to philosophical reasons the same way many people have philosophical reasons for avoiding it. I don't know how many people are like that, but it's not exactly where you want to position your product if you're a business. Personally - and I know I'm not alone with this sentiment based on comments I see on this site - I wouldn't touch Grok no matter how good or cheap it is. I don't trust Elon and I don't want to give another dollar to the world's richest person who turns around and uses the money to interfere with elections. The guy I know uses it for essentially the same reason I won't use it.

gofreddygo 2mo ago
This a a very mature, stable perspective of the world we live in. Everyone wont agree with me all the time, I don't have to either. And thats ok.
inferniac 2mo ago
>who turns around and uses the money to interfere with elections thats a very dumb reason considering all rich people do it, most are just not as open about it as Musk
- MisterKent 2mo ago
  "Everyone's doing it" presented with no evidence is just you trying to make yourself feel better for: - using from - driving a Tesla - voting for Trump It's a really, really easy line to draw in the sand: don't support openly corrupt individuals. It's absolutely true there's money in politics. To call all money in politics equally corrupt because Bernie got a dollar to have dinner with someone vs Elon effectively directly buying votes.... A complete lack of nuance here. And I wouldn't be surprised if corporations / super rich WANT you to think like that. The more defeatist the mentality becomes the more we just accept whatever they do next.
- jm4 2mo ago
  There's a big difference between quiet donations to a PAC - not that that's good either - and what Elon did. He literally paid for votes, likely in violation of the law. He poured more money into U.S. elections than anyone has before. He and Trump both made strange, cryptic statements about Elon's role in Pennsylvania with the voting machines that has caused people to reasonably wonder if they somehow manipulated the election. Whether he did or not, the innuendo alone is not ok. Then he did what he did in Germany. Don't even get me started on DOGE or his Starlink shenanigans in Ukraine. That's before we even start talking about the models themselves. He claims to want "unbiased" models, but he very clearly has a distorted view of the world and has repeatedly demonstrated a desire and willingness to bend the world to his will. I don't want to use a model that is so obviously suspect. Not to mention, his models repeatedly produce racist, Nazi-like propaganda. IMO, he is, at best, a clueless amateur masquerading as an expert and running into problems a more careful person manages to mostly avoid. At worst... well, you get the picture.
mrandish 2mo ago
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- enragedcacti 2mo ago
  > MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Billionaire Elon Musk likely broke Wisconsin law when he promised to hand out $1 million checks to voters in the 2025 state Supreme Court election, a bipartisan panel has found. > The Wisconsin Elections Commission last week referred two complaints to the Brown County district attorney’s office, which can choose to bring criminal charges over violating the state law against election bribery. Prosecutors have 40 days to report back to the commission. https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-wisconsin-election-million-dollar-checks-2900f27acc373c9f1661a934f00c0c3d https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-wisconsin-election-mill...
  - scottyah 2mo ago
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    - enragedcacti 2mo ago
      "Likely broke" is according to the Wisconsin Election Commission, as is attributed at the end of that very sentence. > Encouraging people just to vote And "Criminal Conspiracy" is just making plans with friends. Just because you can describe it in vague terms doesn't make it A-Okay. > It's going to backfire hard for all the ad spend by MTV, Meta, and Google It will not, because running ads is definitely not election bribery, whereas what Musk did likely is under Wisconsin law.
- jxf 2mo ago
  This statement doesn't go far enough given Elon's direct and hands-on involvement with DOGE and the 2024 elections. Very few of the richest people of the world are personally entangled in meddling with government agencies directly, for example.
  - Gareth321 2mo ago
christkv 2mo ago
Versus Sam,Dario or the CCP? Im all for running local models but im sor far from being able to pay for a large model hardware setup. My strix halo box is like driving a beaten up vespa when the frontier models are Ferraris.
- tensor 2mo ago
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- jm4 2mo ago
  I probably have the same strix halo box as you. It's slow, although mostly tolerable, but even 128 GB isn't enough to run good models. Where that leaves us is giving money to somebody to get access to frontier models. I don't like any of those guys either, but some appear worse than others. FWIW, I mostly use Anthropic models. And CCP and their distilled models notwithstanding, at least they release open weight models at a lower cost. It's not like any American company can claim the higher ground these days anyway, especially when they trained their models on pirated content and trash our neighborhoods with their datacenters.
  - bakies 2mo ago
    Couple of years with some bandwidth improvements and higher RAM capacity might do some wonders
- Grombobulous 2mo ago
  For many people, yes. That’s how far down the Elon Musk morality bar is. Elon would be in prison for SEC violations if the current administration hadn’t been elected, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg with that guy.
- iAMkenough 2mo ago
  Yes, ethically Elon ranks lowest based on the past 5 years of questionable decisions, like uploading your entire codebase to their server without consent. Elon is directly responsible for Grok becoming self-titled “MechaHitler” which the other three haven’t come close to matching yet.
BurningFrog 2mo ago
Supporting parties or candidates you want to win elections is a core part of democracy. Calling it "interfering with elections" is utterly bizarre to me.
- bix6 2mo ago
  Paying people to vote is interfering amigo.
- post-it 2mo ago
  Remember when he got hired by the federal government and walked away with a ton of private data?
highfrequency 2mo ago
Perhaps customers choosing your product for irrational philosophical reasons is exactly how you'd want to position your product if you're a business. When it comes to margins, the only thing better than a price-insensitive customer is a quality-insensitive customer.
mpalczewski 2mo ago
everyone interferes with elections. you just prefer people to interfere on your side.
- conception 2mo ago
  I think you are confusing the words interfere and influence.
- jLaForest 2mo ago
  Every accusation is a confession...

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gofreddygo 2mo ago

This a a very mature, stable perspective of the world we live in. Everyone wont agree with me all the time, I don't have to either. And thats ok.

inferniac 2mo ago

>who turns around and uses the money to interfere with elections thats a very dumb reason considering all rich people do it, most are just not as open about it as Musk

MisterKent 2mo ago
"Everyone's doing it" presented with no evidence is just you trying to make yourself feel better for: - using from - driving a Tesla - voting for Trump It's a really, really easy line to draw in the sand: don't support openly corrupt individuals. It's absolutely true there's money in politics. To call all money in politics equally corrupt because Bernie got a dollar to have dinner with someone vs Elon effectively directly buying votes.... A complete lack of nuance here. And I wouldn't be surprised if corporations / super rich WANT you to think like that. The more defeatist the mentality becomes the more we just accept whatever they do next.
jm4 2mo ago
There's a big difference between quiet donations to a PAC - not that that's good either - and what Elon did. He literally paid for votes, likely in violation of the law. He poured more money into U.S. elections than anyone has before. He and Trump both made strange, cryptic statements about Elon's role in Pennsylvania with the voting machines that has caused people to reasonably wonder if they somehow manipulated the election. Whether he did or not, the innuendo alone is not ok. Then he did what he did in Germany. Don't even get me started on DOGE or his Starlink shenanigans in Ukraine. That's before we even start talking about the models themselves. He claims to want "unbiased" models, but he very clearly has a distorted view of the world and has repeatedly demonstrated a desire and willingness to bend the world to his will. I don't want to use a model that is so obviously suspect. Not to mention, his models repeatedly produce racist, Nazi-like propaganda. IMO, he is, at best, a clueless amateur masquerading as an expert and running into problems a more careful person manages to mostly avoid. At worst... well, you get the picture.

mrandish 2mo ago

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enragedcacti 2mo ago
> MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Billionaire Elon Musk likely broke Wisconsin law when he promised to hand out $1 million checks to voters in the 2025 state Supreme Court election, a bipartisan panel has found. > The Wisconsin Elections Commission last week referred two complaints to the Brown County district attorney’s office, which can choose to bring criminal charges over violating the state law against election bribery. Prosecutors have 40 days to report back to the commission. https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-wisconsin-election-million-dollar-checks-2900f27acc373c9f1661a934f00c0c3d https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-wisconsin-election-mill...
- scottyah 2mo ago
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  - enragedcacti 2mo ago
    "Likely broke" is according to the Wisconsin Election Commission, as is attributed at the end of that very sentence. > Encouraging people just to vote And "Criminal Conspiracy" is just making plans with friends. Just because you can describe it in vague terms doesn't make it A-Okay. > It's going to backfire hard for all the ad spend by MTV, Meta, and Google It will not, because running ads is definitely not election bribery, whereas what Musk did likely is under Wisconsin law.
jxf 2mo ago
This statement doesn't go far enough given Elon's direct and hands-on involvement with DOGE and the 2024 elections. Very few of the richest people of the world are personally entangled in meddling with government agencies directly, for example.
- Gareth321 2mo ago

christkv 2mo ago

Versus Sam,Dario or the CCP? Im all for running local models but im sor far from being able to pay for a large model hardware setup. My strix halo box is like driving a beaten up vespa when the frontier models are Ferraris.

tensor 2mo ago
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jm4 2mo ago
I probably have the same strix halo box as you. It's slow, although mostly tolerable, but even 128 GB isn't enough to run good models. Where that leaves us is giving money to somebody to get access to frontier models. I don't like any of those guys either, but some appear worse than others. FWIW, I mostly use Anthropic models. And CCP and their distilled models notwithstanding, at least they release open weight models at a lower cost. It's not like any American company can claim the higher ground these days anyway, especially when they trained their models on pirated content and trash our neighborhoods with their datacenters.
- bakies 2mo ago
  Couple of years with some bandwidth improvements and higher RAM capacity might do some wonders
Grombobulous 2mo ago
For many people, yes. That’s how far down the Elon Musk morality bar is. Elon would be in prison for SEC violations if the current administration hadn’t been elected, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg with that guy.
iAMkenough 2mo ago
Yes, ethically Elon ranks lowest based on the past 5 years of questionable decisions, like uploading your entire codebase to their server without consent. Elon is directly responsible for Grok becoming self-titled “MechaHitler” which the other three haven’t come close to matching yet.

BurningFrog 2mo ago

Supporting parties or candidates you want to win elections is a core part of democracy. Calling it "interfering with elections" is utterly bizarre to me.

bix6 2mo ago
Paying people to vote is interfering amigo.
post-it 2mo ago
Remember when he got hired by the federal government and walked away with a ton of private data?

highfrequency 2mo ago

Perhaps customers choosing your product for irrational philosophical reasons is exactly how you'd want to position your product if you're a business. When it comes to margins, the only thing better than a price-insensitive customer is a quality-insensitive customer.

mpalczewski 2mo ago

everyone interferes with elections. you just prefer people to interfere on your side.

conception 2mo ago
I think you are confusing the words interfere and influence.
jLaForest 2mo ago
Every accusation is a confession...