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The complicit parties of climate change are so wide you would probably have to try thousands and thousands of people across most of the developed world. The coh

The complicit parties of climate change are so wide you would probably have to try thousands and thousands of people across most of the developed world. The cohort is probably so large that it’s more a reflection of society generally than the malicious acts of a few.

bsian 2mo ago
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- forestrywat 2mo ago
  Nonsense. Anyone who wants forced labor camps is a fascist. I don't care what they call themselves. Once you stop caring about wellbeing for everyone you stop being a leftist. (Which is your insinuation.) Also, there is more than one political aisle. The left (who broadly want to redistribute wealth) is distinct from democrats (who are capitalists) is distinct from the various parts of the GOP.
  - cduzz 2mo ago
    The US Constitution, specifically the 13th amendment, allows: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall be duly convicted, shall exist within the United STates or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So in fact, forced labor camps are totally legal and common in the United States. There are lots of private companies which operate these prison / factory systems and are quite profitable (unsurprisingly), such as NYSE:GEO. All governments "redistribute wealth" friend, not just the left or right or up or down. It all depends on which side of the bars you live on, amirite?
    - forestrywat 2mo ago
      You ain't disagreeing. Anyone who wants or engages in forced labor is fascist. Sounds like you found an example of that in the US. Yep. Many such cases.
    - halfmatthalfcat 2mo ago
      Don't even need bars, "subsidies" are just another word for redistribution.
    - rimunroe 2mo ago
      Do you think the left broadly supports prison labor or that carveout in the 13th Amendment? Personally I've never seen a leftist voice any feelings on them other than contempt.
- athrowaway3z 2mo ago
  It strikes me that historically whenever one extremist side decides to pull the trigger and goes for a cult-of-personality power grab (because this is not a left/right exclusive thing); the really delusional stuff starts when those already in power trigger a vicious cycle of paranoia.
- bothers 1mo ago
  People know who were salivating at the idea of devaluing labor while cutting social welfare programs, creating a pool of cheap labor too desperate to negotiate; these people now feel safe openly showing contempt and cruelty.
Y-bar 2mo ago
Got to start somewhere. Let's start at the top and work ourselves down. If we could do it with over 100 000 persons back then, we could do it again. > But while in West Germany and united Germany between 1946 and 2005, cases were brought against 140,000 individuals https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-examines-germanys-minute-number-of-convictions-for-nazi-war-crimes/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-examines-germanys-mi... > British military courts carried out proceedings against 1,085 persons > About forty-five additional trials were held against an unknown number of accused. [...] In all, French occupation courts passed 2,107 sentences [...] > [I]n Poland alone 16,819 Germans were sentenced [...] > In Czechoslovakia, about 16,000 German nationals received sentences. Exact figures are not available. https://digitallibrary.un.org/nanna/record/627806/files/A_8038-EN.pdf https://digitallibrary.un.org/nanna/record/627806/files/A_80...

bsian 2mo ago

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forestrywat 2mo ago
Nonsense. Anyone who wants forced labor camps is a fascist. I don't care what they call themselves. Once you stop caring about wellbeing for everyone you stop being a leftist. (Which is your insinuation.) Also, there is more than one political aisle. The left (who broadly want to redistribute wealth) is distinct from democrats (who are capitalists) is distinct from the various parts of the GOP.
- cduzz 2mo ago
  The US Constitution, specifically the 13th amendment, allows: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall be duly convicted, shall exist within the United STates or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So in fact, forced labor camps are totally legal and common in the United States. There are lots of private companies which operate these prison / factory systems and are quite profitable (unsurprisingly), such as NYSE:GEO. All governments "redistribute wealth" friend, not just the left or right or up or down. It all depends on which side of the bars you live on, amirite?
  - forestrywat 2mo ago
    You ain't disagreeing. Anyone who wants or engages in forced labor is fascist. Sounds like you found an example of that in the US. Yep. Many such cases.
  - halfmatthalfcat 2mo ago
    Don't even need bars, "subsidies" are just another word for redistribution.
  - rimunroe 2mo ago
    Do you think the left broadly supports prison labor or that carveout in the 13th Amendment? Personally I've never seen a leftist voice any feelings on them other than contempt.
athrowaway3z 2mo ago
It strikes me that historically whenever one extremist side decides to pull the trigger and goes for a cult-of-personality power grab (because this is not a left/right exclusive thing); the really delusional stuff starts when those already in power trigger a vicious cycle of paranoia.
bothers 1mo ago
People know who were salivating at the idea of devaluing labor while cutting social welfare programs, creating a pool of cheap labor too desperate to negotiate; these people now feel safe openly showing contempt and cruelty.

Y-bar 2mo ago

Got to start somewhere. Let's start at the top and work ourselves down. If we could do it with over 100 000 persons back then, we could do it again. > But while in West Germany and united Germany between 1946 and 2005, cases were brought against 140,000 individuals https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-examines-germanys-minute-number-of-convictions-for-nazi-war-crimes/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-examines-germanys-mi... > British military courts carried out proceedings against 1,085 persons > About forty-five additional trials were held against an unknown number of accused. [...] In all, French occupation courts passed 2,107 sentences [...] > [I]n Poland alone 16,819 Germans were sentenced [...] > In Czechoslovakia, about 16,000 German nationals received sentences. Exact figures are not available. https://digitallibrary.un.org/nanna/record/627806/files/A_8038-EN.pdf https://digitallibrary.un.org/nanna/record/627806/files/A_80...