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Just another 6 months bro, only another funding bro, I promise, all devs will be replaced bro I have stupid question here. Why they sell tokens instead of AI g

by edukite 2mo ago

Just another 6 months bro, only another funding bro, I promise, all devs will be replaced bro I have stupid question here. Why they sell tokens instead of AI generated full application and AI fixes to your code without you needing a single dev?

Applejinx 2mo ago
Wait.
- edukite 2mo ago
  I'm 40yo. Do you know how long I'm waiting? Only taking for an account this newest hype I heard like 4x next year and the current progress is slowing significantly over last year. Even foundings are starting to back off
pjmlp 2mo ago
Because selling shovels is more profitable than digging holes themselves.
- edukite 2mo ago
  Really? Where do you live because in my country the opposite is true
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    In Germany, in this case selling shovels if you want to take the example literally is selling construction machines, or renting them, versus having guest workers digging the holes. Naturally we can't use figures of speech.
    - edukite 2mo ago
      Are you aware AI companies are subsidizing usage and have negative revenue? And now your comparison is inaccurate. I said whole application. So the correct one would be selling/renting construction vehicles vs building entire building and here selling/renting is maybe 10% of developer income. Digging a hole is like making small code change and if you wish to continue using this analogy then tokens are digging a hole and selling entire applications (thing Software house do) is construction company building entire building Second obviously deliver more cash and here AI premise starts to crack. AI can't deliver anything good, costs much more than developing team (Uber proved it) and even if you use it as hard as possible and it does what it suppose to deliver max 5% increase across the board
Manfrednotfunny 2mo ago
Because of the current state of AI. But the current state of AI is a very good indicator were it is going. Even if we don't achieve AGI, do you think AI in its current form will not be better in 5 or 10 years and we will have this solved a lot more/better than today? Even with AI, you still need to design the software, test it, try it out, deploy it and scale it. An proper agentic platform still needs time to be build. And the models need to be a little bit better and for that you want human feedback/reinforcement learning
- edukite 2mo ago
  Yes, I don't think this will be a lot better. Newest Claude is barely better, same with the rest of the model. In the same time cost of training new models and running them is increasing so taking this in the account I don't think this'll even last 5y
  - Manfrednotfunny 2mo ago
    Tokens get cheaper and smarter every day. This alone will lead to being able to run a fable class claude model 24/7 and potentially running something like this in parallel multiply times over.
    - edukite 2mo ago
      Really? From what I see everyone are raising prices and even if tokens price is dropping price of running LLM is raising. LLM is highly subsidized and will never be cheaper than human
- johnnyanmac 2mo ago
  >Even if we don't achieve AGI, do you think AI in its current form will not be better in 5 or 10 years and we will have this solved a lot more/better than today? In my sector? No, not really. Because the core problem isn't tech, but labor rights. Those will only worsen.

by edukite 2mo ago

Applejinx 2mo ago

Wait.

edukite 2mo ago
I'm 40yo. Do you know how long I'm waiting? Only taking for an account this newest hype I heard like 4x next year and the current progress is slowing significantly over last year. Even foundings are starting to back off

pjmlp 2mo ago

Because selling shovels is more profitable than digging holes themselves.

edukite 2mo ago
Really? Where do you live because in my country the opposite is true
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  In Germany, in this case selling shovels if you want to take the example literally is selling construction machines, or renting them, versus having guest workers digging the holes. Naturally we can't use figures of speech.
  - edukite 2mo ago
    Are you aware AI companies are subsidizing usage and have negative revenue? And now your comparison is inaccurate. I said whole application. So the correct one would be selling/renting construction vehicles vs building entire building and here selling/renting is maybe 10% of developer income. Digging a hole is like making small code change and if you wish to continue using this analogy then tokens are digging a hole and selling entire applications (thing Software house do) is construction company building entire building Second obviously deliver more cash and here AI premise starts to crack. AI can't deliver anything good, costs much more than developing team (Uber proved it) and even if you use it as hard as possible and it does what it suppose to deliver max 5% increase across the board

Manfrednotfunny 2mo ago

Because of the current state of AI. But the current state of AI is a very good indicator were it is going. Even if we don't achieve AGI, do you think AI in its current form will not be better in 5 or 10 years and we will have this solved a lot more/better than today? Even with AI, you still need to design the software, test it, try it out, deploy it and scale it. An proper agentic platform still needs time to be build. And the models need to be a little bit better and for that you want human feedback/reinforcement learning

edukite 2mo ago
Yes, I don't think this will be a lot better. Newest Claude is barely better, same with the rest of the model. In the same time cost of training new models and running them is increasing so taking this in the account I don't think this'll even last 5y
- Manfrednotfunny 2mo ago
  Tokens get cheaper and smarter every day. This alone will lead to being able to run a fable class claude model 24/7 and potentially running something like this in parallel multiply times over.
  - edukite 2mo ago
    Really? From what I see everyone are raising prices and even if tokens price is dropping price of running LLM is raising. LLM is highly subsidized and will never be cheaper than human
johnnyanmac 2mo ago
>Even if we don't achieve AGI, do you think AI in its current form will not be better in 5 or 10 years and we will have this solved a lot more/better than today? In my sector? No, not really. Because the core problem isn't tech, but labor rights. Those will only worsen.