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There are 100K H1-Bs a year and 4 million grads a year in the US. Anyone who thinks H1-Bs are actually contributing to their inability to find a job is a moron.
by iLoveOncall 2mo ago
There are 100K H1-Bs a year and 4 million grads a year in the US. Anyone who thinks H1-Bs are actually contributing to their inability to find a job is a moron.
- mikert89 2mo agohave you been inside a big tech company? there arent many american fresh grads working there, its mostly foreign
- iLoveOncall 2mo ago[flagged]
- weatherlite 2mo agoWhat's wrong with being mediocre?
- mikert89 2mo agoamazon is crammed full of indians, its one of the worst offenders. i spent 5 years at the company also nothing impressive about a senior SDE there, maybe 10 years ago it was impressive, best talent has either moved on or is L7+
- throw-the-towel 2mo agoCan't help but laugh that even Amazon has someone who defends its honour.
- mikert89 2mo agohahaha i was laughing too, of all companies for someone to defend
- ryandrake 2mo agoEvery $1B+ company out there has at least one person on HN eager to passionately praise and defend it online. I've never understood it. People get devoted to a company like it's their religion.
- iLoveOncall 2mo agoI don't care at all about defending Amazon, I'm just correcting a completely false statement about H1-B visas, and answering a guy who claims something about big tech while myself being in big tech? I guess reading comprehension is just disappearing with LLMs.
- fl4regun 2mo agoIME many big companies are filled with mediocre morons, or at least people who just don't care enough to do better than mediocre. Still not the fault of brown people either way.
- shimman 2mo agoWhy are you bringing racism into the equation? It's not an unreasonable thing for people of a country to think that the government should do more to protect their livelihoods over a corporation's balance sheet.
- WarmWash 2mo ago>The reason you're not getting a job at Amazon isn't because of brown people, The correct framing is "The reason you're not getting a job at Amazon isn't because of people willing to work for less money,"
- iLoveOncall 2mo agoThe compensation bands and the actual compensation are exactly the same regardless of immigration status.
- snovymgodym 2mo agoBands yes, packets no. Big tech companies aren't like a Government job with rigorous pay grades based on role and seniority. You can have people even within the same role and level at big tech with multiple $100k pay discrepancies. If someone's continued ability to stay in the country where they currently live is contingent on employment then they will accept worse conditions and pay. That's the entire reason why tech companies use H1B, it's not as though there's a dearth of Java developers or DevOps people who are US citizens.
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- insane_dreamer 2mo agoSpend some time processing tech job applications and you’ll realize you’re wrong
- declan_roberts 2mo agoTake a walk through South Lake or San Francisco and he'll realize he's wrong.
- weatherlite 2mo agoBut those H1Bs all come for a very narrow set of work - mostly software development or other adjacent roles. So your 4 million figure that counts all graduates in all fields doesn't make sense when we talk about tech. There are around 100k U.S CS graduates . You're telling me 100k H1-Bs don't make any impact on them?
- iLoveOncall 2mo agoYou're counting only CS bachelors, in reality there's 400K graduates a year in software engineering fields. There's also only 60,000 H1-Bs a year for private companies. Lastly the majority of H1-Bs doesn't go to software engineering jobs, it's around 30-50%. There's also basically no US company hiring juniors via H1-Bs, so yeah, I'm saying it doesn't make any meaningful impact. 30K H1-Bs versus 400K grads...
- weatherlite 2mo agoThe way you handled those numbers makes me think you have leadership potential, perhaps even U.S presidency material
- BeetleB 2mo ago> There's also only 60,000 H1-Bs a year for private companies. Actually, more like over 80,000. They have a separate pool for people with advanced degrees (MS or higher) in tech fields. Agree with everything else.
- KetoManx64 2mo ago-85,000 NEW visas granted each year, not including renewals - The mass majority of those are going into the tech/software - there are only around ~100k CS graduates each year - H1B workers will take much lower salaries and benefits than their US citizen counterparts.
- declan_roberts 2mo agoAnd H-1Bs are easier to overwork and abuse because the threat of deportation and the dangling carrot of citizenship are very powerful motivators that don't exist with US citizens.
- jayGlow 2mo agoonly about 100k of those 4 million graduates are in computer science. more candidates applying for a limited number of jobs makes things more competitive and difficult for those applying understanding that doesn't make someone a moron.
- calculatte 2mo agoNo it is true. But H1B is only a portion of it. OPT is unlimited and gives the employer the incentive of not paying FICA tax. Plus OPT candidates are willing to accept a fraction of the salary in the hopes that they can convert to H1B. Plus there are several other visa types being abused H4 EAD, CPT, O1. On top of all that the commonplace practices of ethnic nepotism and hiring kickbacks. I think many engineers are extremely naive about what is going on in the industry, which is why these abuses only continue to increase.