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And to be clear, this isn't an "I just walked through an open door" situation. This is getting in the house through a 2nd floor open window, destroying some ite

by close04 2mo ago

And to be clear, this isn't an "I just walked through an open door" situation. This is getting in the house through a 2nd floor open window, destroying some items and putting some of your own in their place. > the bot explained that it had manipulated the system to book him onto classes months in advance - against the normal rules of the system. > The agent replied saying it had succeeded by cancelling another gym-goer's booking. This wasn't just breaking the rules of the gym, it also caused damages to someone. Someone had their booking canceled, maybe lost some money, definitely lost time dealing with this topic.

graemep 2mo ago
Would phoning them and pretending to be someone ahead of you in a queue to cancel their reservation be a crime? probably, but not one likely to get prosecuted.
lbreakjai 2mo ago
> This is getting in the house through a 2nd floor open window I disagree. If an endpoint is open, my assumption is that it's free for me to call, the same way I expect to be able to purchase items on the shelf at the store. If you fail to clearly label or separate them, that's on you.
- close04 2mo ago
  > I disagree. If an endpoint is open, my assumption is The famous "innocent as long as their assumption was" defense. "If the window is open, my assumption is" works the same way. The law is clear on this, no need to make assumptions. The guy knew immediately the agent broke the rules. A modicum of common sense tells you that those actions can't possibly be above board. The gym will probably let him off the hook and not press charges but not because he was entitled to do it. > the same way I expect to be able to purchase items on the shelf at the store I'll try to make my point using the same logic. Why "purchase"? Each item isn't clearly labeled as "must be purchased before exiting the store". And why just from the shelf? Why not the shelf itself? Why not "items from a desk drawer in a back room of the store", or even "items from the pocket of a cashier"? They're all right there, unlocked, and unlabeled. > If you fail to clearly label Do you carry a visible label with things people are not allowed to do to you? Without that label do others often make the same assumption you do? :)

by close04 2mo ago

graemep 2mo ago

Would phoning them and pretending to be someone ahead of you in a queue to cancel their reservation be a crime? probably, but not one likely to get prosecuted.

lbreakjai 2mo ago

> This is getting in the house through a 2nd floor open window I disagree. If an endpoint is open, my assumption is that it's free for me to call, the same way I expect to be able to purchase items on the shelf at the store. If you fail to clearly label or separate them, that's on you.

close04 2mo ago
> I disagree. If an endpoint is open, my assumption is The famous "innocent as long as their assumption was" defense. "If the window is open, my assumption is" works the same way. The law is clear on this, no need to make assumptions. The guy knew immediately the agent broke the rules. A modicum of common sense tells you that those actions can't possibly be above board. The gym will probably let him off the hook and not press charges but not because he was entitled to do it. > the same way I expect to be able to purchase items on the shelf at the store I'll try to make my point using the same logic. Why "purchase"? Each item isn't clearly labeled as "must be purchased before exiting the store". And why just from the shelf? Why not the shelf itself? Why not "items from a desk drawer in a back room of the store", or even "items from the pocket of a cashier"? They're all right there, unlocked, and unlabeled. > If you fail to clearly label Do you carry a visible label with things people are not allowed to do to you? Without that label do others often make the same assumption you do? :)