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You're not wrong about the appearance of sketchiness of that, but.... dude, come on. "It's not hard" is only true because you already know how to do it.

by chaps 2mo ago

walrus01 2mo ago
It's literally three steps, assuming you have the equivalent of the debian "build-essential" dependencies installed on your system for cmake, compiler. It's the exact three rows of my post, pasted one at a time into the CLI. The llama-server build guide page is actually pretty good. I mean, sure, if there's people who can't figure that out, they're probably better off using a GUI that is a wrapper on top of somebody else's precompiled llama-server, like unsloth studio or lm studio. There's a good sized market for that and I wish them well.
- chaps 2mo ago
  You're right about all of that up until the point any one of those commands doesn't work and you get a garglblargl amount of incomprehensible error messages. You've been in the sauce for so long that you've forgotten what it's like to start fresh in these things.
  - walrus01 2mo ago
    Please give it a try before you assume it won't work? Tell me what platform you're on and follow the three sequential cli commands I provided, and if it doesn't compile I'll be glad to look at your error message and get it going in the right direction.
    - chaps 2mo ago
      You're missing the trees for the forest, friend. I know how to troubleshoot this stuff. I wouldn't expect some random schmo who's just learning ubuntu for the first time to be able to. This, "just run these three commands" attitude is exactly the reason why these curl|sh "installers" have become popular.
tyre 2mo ago
If you’re unsure how to do it, you can ask others for help or Claude will tell you. Point Claude Code at a repository and ask how to install it safely. You don’t have to know about make or cryptography of HTTPS or anything, really. It will walk you through the options and risk. If you have questions about any part of it—i.e. you don’t recognize an acronym or deeply understand why something works—you can ask. Or ask here! HN is filled with smart humans.
digital_voodoo 2mo ago
Exactly. That way of assuming everyone is a seasoned dev or sysadmin always baffles me. There are a ton of tinkerers out there, we are legion, and we are often reluctant to ask, especially here (as suggested by another parallel comment) because we don't want to receive an answer like this. Full circle.
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anonym29 2mo ago
GP is saying "it's not hard", yet you seem to be hearing "you should already know how to do this without ever looking it up". Those aren't the same assertions. It's not a sensible assumption that a process must necessarily be difficult or complex just because you don't already know how to do it. There are an unenumerable number of tasks each of us don't know how to do and have never done before which are not difficult at all.
- chaps 2mo ago
  Yes, and that's exactly why the curl|sh exists; you don't need to know the weird esoterica of a 26 year old piece of software. Accessibility matters.
  - anonym29 2mo ago
    >you don't need to know the weird esoterica of a 26 year old piece of software You really don't need to know much at all in order to compile llama.cpp. You can literally ask any half decent AI agent to do it for you or give you a step by step guide, and troubleshoot any error you get.
    - chaps 2mo ago
      Have you not met anyone who would disown you as a person for suggesting that?
      - anonym29 2mo ago
        Of course not. That's as absurd, nonsensical, and dogmatic of a position to hold as disowning someone for being gay, or disowning someone for being the wrong religion or race. I tend not to associate with extremists and zealots, regardless of their preferred cause. Just about everyone I associate with personally is polite, kind, and friendly, and everyone I work with professionally is too serious of a technologist to dismiss the most transformative technology of our lifetimes to date. I know some people who'd oppose datacenters going up in their neighborhood or town, but nothing as bizarre or irrational as disowning someone else for merely using AI.

You're not wrong about the appearance of sketchiness of that, but.... dude, come on. "It's not hard" is only true because you already know how to do it.

by chaps 2mo ago

You're not wrong about the appearance of sketchiness of that, but.... dude, come on. "It's not hard" is only true because you already know how to do it.

walrus01 2mo ago

It's literally three steps, assuming you have the equivalent of the debian "build-essential" dependencies installed on your system for cmake, compiler. It's the exact three rows of my post, pasted one at a time into the CLI. The llama-server build guide page is actually pretty good. I mean, sure, if there's people who can't figure that out, they're probably better off using a GUI that is a wrapper on top of somebody else's precompiled llama-server, like unsloth studio or lm studio. There's a good sized market for that and I wish them well.

chaps 2mo ago
You're right about all of that up until the point any one of those commands doesn't work and you get a garglblargl amount of incomprehensible error messages. You've been in the sauce for so long that you've forgotten what it's like to start fresh in these things.
- walrus01 2mo ago
  Please give it a try before you assume it won't work? Tell me what platform you're on and follow the three sequential cli commands I provided, and if it doesn't compile I'll be glad to look at your error message and get it going in the right direction.
  - chaps 2mo ago
    You're missing the trees for the forest, friend. I know how to troubleshoot this stuff. I wouldn't expect some random schmo who's just learning ubuntu for the first time to be able to. This, "just run these three commands" attitude is exactly the reason why these curl|sh "installers" have become popular.

tyre 2mo ago

If you’re unsure how to do it, you can ask others for help or Claude will tell you. Point Claude Code at a repository and ask how to install it safely. You don’t have to know about make or cryptography of HTTPS or anything, really. It will walk you through the options and risk. If you have questions about any part of it—i.e. you don’t recognize an acronym or deeply understand why something works—you can ask. Or ask here! HN is filled with smart humans.

digital_voodoo 2mo ago

Exactly. That way of assuming everyone is a seasoned dev or sysadmin always baffles me. There are a ton of tinkerers out there, we are legion, and we are often reluctant to ask, especially here (as suggested by another parallel comment) because we don't want to receive an answer like this. Full circle.

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anonym29 2mo ago

GP is saying "it's not hard", yet you seem to be hearing "you should already know how to do this without ever looking it up". Those aren't the same assertions. It's not a sensible assumption that a process must necessarily be difficult or complex just because you don't already know how to do it. There are an unenumerable number of tasks each of us don't know how to do and have never done before which are not difficult at all.

chaps 2mo ago
Yes, and that's exactly why the curl|sh exists; you don't need to know the weird esoterica of a 26 year old piece of software. Accessibility matters.
- anonym29 2mo ago
  >you don't need to know the weird esoterica of a 26 year old piece of software You really don't need to know much at all in order to compile llama.cpp. You can literally ask any half decent AI agent to do it for you or give you a step by step guide, and troubleshoot any error you get.
  - chaps 2mo ago
    Have you not met anyone who would disown you as a person for suggesting that?
    - anonym29 2mo ago
      Of course not. That's as absurd, nonsensical, and dogmatic of a position to hold as disowning someone for being gay, or disowning someone for being the wrong religion or race. I tend not to associate with extremists and zealots, regardless of their preferred cause. Just about everyone I associate with personally is polite, kind, and friendly, and everyone I work with professionally is too serious of a technologist to dismiss the most transformative technology of our lifetimes to date. I know some people who'd oppose datacenters going up in their neighborhood or town, but nothing as bizarre or irrational as disowning someone else for merely using AI.