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I personally read the thinking traces to know if the model is on the right direction

• selestify 2mo ago
  I'm not saying they're not useful, of course they are. I am disputing that they are part of the agreed bargain between you and the proprietary LLM providers. They explicitly do not promise reasoning traces. You (general you) agree to those terms and pay for that bargain anyways.
  • jdub 2mo ago
    We "agree" to many things that are deeply unfair.
    • jadar 2mo ago
      Yet we have the option to decide not to participate. That is an option.
      • thejazzman 2mo ago
        I’m just driving by here but they bill by tokens — it’s a stretch to turn around and deny your right to see them. And it’s especially egregious when the tokens admittedly, routinely do the opposite of what you instructed. But personally it’s not about right and won’t it’s just blatant bullshit.
        • selestify 2mo ago
          And lawyers bill by 6-minute increments, yet that doesn't mean you get access to all of a law firm's internal discussions and notes about you and your case. Just because you paid for the lawyer time/LLM tokens doesn't mean you get access to everything that happened within that time/tokens.