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So the artist simply accepts the AI generated wooden house. Might it be possible that he does not? Furthermore, before AI, artists also used assets that came f

So the artist simply accepts the AI generated wooden house. Might it be possible that he does not? Furthermore, before AI, artists also used assets that came from other creators, accepting them wholesale. No intention, then? The issue I see here is that we're judging the tool, not the artist. It reminds me so much of the digital photography backlash. But here we are.

Forgeties79 2mo ago
Digital photography is completely different. The principles do not change whether you’re shooting film or digital. You have to frame the shot. You have to make sure the exposure is what you want. You have to set f-stop. Even if you try to argue that automatic settings on cameras negate all of that, which I don’t agree with but let’s allow it, at the end of the day you have to pick the focal distance and frame, which are the anchor points of the entire photograph. That is not the same as an AI generated facsimile, and whether you’re shooting film or digital does not change that fact. When use a LLM tool to write, paint, or generate a photograph, you are not actually writing the words, you are not actually physically painting, and you are not framing a photo. It is literally a different process and medium. You can enjoy that, even I have at times, but it’s not the same thing.
- mparramon 1mo ago
  That's the issue with metaphors, they are always different. Try steelmanning the issue and see what you think. I'm not here to prove a point, and I hope you're not either. I'm here to learn. And what I'm learning is, artists are happy.
  - Forgeties79 1mo ago
    This is rather patronizing and does not foster dialogue/learning. Nobody trying to learn talks down to somebody like this with such confidence that they are right. This is a topic I know very intimately and have strong feelings on. You are welcome to disagree with me, I am not the god of cameras and therefore always right, but I also should not be so quickly dismissed when it comes to this topic simply because you disagree with my take on AI generated “photography.” I use air quotes not to mock you but to emphasize that I do not consider it photography. It’s a different process and medium, it’s a different tool and result. None of this is a reflection of its merits or the people who utilize it. I believe your metaphor was a very poor one so I expressed it. If you think it’s appropriate than feel free to explain it, but IMO, prompting an image and shooting it with a camera in your hands is not the same thing. So don’t start talking down to me and lecturing me on “being willing to learn” simply because I explained my reasoning on this.

Forgeties79 2mo ago

Digital photography is completely different. The principles do not change whether you’re shooting film or digital. You have to frame the shot. You have to make sure the exposure is what you want. You have to set f-stop. Even if you try to argue that automatic settings on cameras negate all of that, which I don’t agree with but let’s allow it, at the end of the day you have to pick the focal distance and frame, which are the anchor points of the entire photograph. That is not the same as an AI generated facsimile, and whether you’re shooting film or digital does not change that fact. When use a LLM tool to write, paint, or generate a photograph, you are not actually writing the words, you are not actually physically painting, and you are not framing a photo. It is literally a different process and medium. You can enjoy that, even I have at times, but it’s not the same thing.

mparramon 1mo ago
That's the issue with metaphors, they are always different. Try steelmanning the issue and see what you think. I'm not here to prove a point, and I hope you're not either. I'm here to learn. And what I'm learning is, artists are happy.
- Forgeties79 1mo ago
  This is rather patronizing and does not foster dialogue/learning. Nobody trying to learn talks down to somebody like this with such confidence that they are right. This is a topic I know very intimately and have strong feelings on. You are welcome to disagree with me, I am not the god of cameras and therefore always right, but I also should not be so quickly dismissed when it comes to this topic simply because you disagree with my take on AI generated “photography.” I use air quotes not to mock you but to emphasize that I do not consider it photography. It’s a different process and medium, it’s a different tool and result. None of this is a reflection of its merits or the people who utilize it. I believe your metaphor was a very poor one so I expressed it. If you think it’s appropriate than feel free to explain it, but IMO, prompting an image and shooting it with a camera in your hands is not the same thing. So don’t start talking down to me and lecturing me on “being willing to learn” simply because I explained my reasoning on this.